Need help with Binders
Posted: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 10:36:31 AM
I need help with designing binders. After looking at binders for sale I see that they are printed all the way to the edge. I have been under the impression that the design area was limited to the area inside the dotted lines on the create page. Is it OK to have the design spill over the edge of the binder? Also, if I want to make it wrap all the way across the binder's outside, is there a way to create it all at once, or do I have to do the front, back, spine separately?

Thanks for your help!
Posted: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 10:49:07 AM
What I've found is that it won't allow you to "spill" over the dotted lines even if that's how it would look best. It's something we've all struggled with for a very long time.

To have a design that covers front, spine, and back, either you have to have just the right image size to place on the background layer (you choose it in the design tool), or you can position several images on the background layer.

Good luck, and have a list of swear words ready. Smile
Posted: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 11:05:13 AM
What are you talking about? Images can spill over the edges. I just tried it.
Posted: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 11:05:15 AM
Thanks!

(I won't need the swear words, I find it easier to just use my stubbornness words and MAKE it work~)

I see a lot of binders that show the design all the way to the edge of the outside. I am presuming that since the pic shows that it will give you that on the actual product. Do they actually print out that far?
Posted: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 11:21:09 AM
Maz wrote:
What are you talking about? Images can spill over the edges. I just tried it.

It has always thrown errors for me. That's what I'm talking about.
Posted: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 11:27:19 AM
Here it is:


The image threw no errors even when oversized, but then I shifted it to the right. You can see the error message.
Posted: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 11:29:26 AM
IslandsOfTime wrote:
Do they actually print out that far?

I've no idea. It probably depends on whether the image is printed on the cover before or after the seaming is done. I guess only Zazzle could tell us.
Posted: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 11:46:57 AM
When you get that message, you need to highlight the image (over on the right side) and then hold down the Ctrl key and use the - or + keys or use the left or right arrows of that centering tool to the far left to adjust things until message goes away. You also need to test the image on all 3 binders to make sure the message isn't popping up on the other two binders. When no more message appears, lock the image so the customer doesn't get hit with it.
Posted: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 12:10:01 PM
Gina ┬ęgleem wrote:
When you get that message, you need to highlight the image (over on the right side) and then hold down the Ctrl key and use the - or + keys or use the left or right arrows of that centering tool to the far left to adjust things until message goes away. You also need to test the image on all 3 binders to make sure the message isn't popping up on the other two binders. When no more message appears, lock the image so the customer doesn't get hit with it.

Yup, that's what I do. What's odd, however, is that it doesn't do it with an overblown image unless you no more than nudge it in one direction or another, perhaps to visually center it. I mean, really? It's already spilling over all the lines all over the place! It's an evil plot.
Posted: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 12:12:03 PM
Wow, lots of good info.

I will ask Zazzle about the printing to the edge. Surely there would not be so many with that if it did not print that way.

Thanks all!
Posted: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 12:16:19 PM
You're more than welcome. Now go into battle and beat those binders into submission!
Posted: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 12:25:25 PM
IslandsOfTime wrote:
Wow, lots of good info.

I will ask Zazzle about the printing to the edge. Surely there would not be so many with that if it did not print that way.

Thanks all!


Avery prints them at their factory. They are printed before they are put together.

Colorwash your image is barely over the edge. I put an image over the edge so only half of it was in the design view. No errors.
Posted: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 12:54:16 PM
Colorwash wrote:
Here it is:


The image threw no errors even when oversized, but then I shifted it to the right. You can see the error message.


This error usually means you have enlarged your image too much and it could be pixelated. At least that is the only time I have ever seen it. When that happens to me I come back with a larger size image or a seamless tiling pattern and tile it.
Posted: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 2:04:55 PM
Nope, that image is a large one, sized so it can sit on a large poster. Also, after choosing it and it landed on the design surface, the head was off the top and the feet off the bottom, both being cut off. No error. Resized it so it would fit better, though it still went beyond the safe area. No error. Moved it to the dashed line. No error. Moved it past the dashed line as you see it in the screenshot. That's when it showed an error. I didn't bother moving it back to the left because, from past experience, I knew what would happen: The error would go away. I've designed enough binders to so I easily predicted what each action I took would do.

I suspect that, unless a person works a lot with multiple layers, building up an image with layers where you might want have, say, a tree only partially showing on an edge, a rocky landscape behind it, some animals "coming into view," you might not hit the problems.

Maz, I've no idea why it isn't happening to you. There has to be something we're doing differently.
Posted: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 2:24:43 PM
It's because yours is barely overlapping. Avery required that the design tool work this way for their binders. You can make it smaller so it doesn't overlap any of the lines, or take it further over the edge. Or create your image with a transparent background larger than the design. If you did that with the design you used you wouldn't get the error if you placed your guy in the same position.
Posted: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 2:33:37 PM
Maz wrote:
It's because yours is barely overlapping. Avery required that the design tool work this way for their binders. You can make it smaller so it doesn't overlap any of the lines, or take it further over the edge. Or create your image with a transparent background larger than the design. If you did that with the design you used you wouldn't get the error if you placed your guy in the same position.

I'm going to try variations according to what you've described. Maybe I'll be able stop approaching binders as the enemy.
Posted: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 2:35:42 PM
Maz wrote:
It's because yours is barely overlapping. Avery required that the design tool work this way for their binders. You can make it smaller so it doesn't overlap any of the lines, or take it further over the edge. Or create your image with a transparent background larger than the design. If you did that with the design you used you wouldn't get the error if you placed your guy in the same position.


Interesting. Thanks for the heads-up. You are correct, on binders, images have to be completely inside the green dotted Safe line or extend past the red Bleed line. If the image ends anywhere in between or on those lines you get the error.

Posted: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 2:40:06 PM
I'm sitting here trying to figure out why whoever set it up thought this was a necessary thing to do. Did they maybe think that if an image went completely off the grid, the person truly meant to do it, but if it went just a little beyond the safe line it was likely a mistake? It's the only thing I can think of.
Posted: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 2:46:06 PM
Colorwash wrote:
I'm sitting here trying to figure out why whoever set it up thought this was a necessary thing to do. Did they maybe think that if an image went completely off the grid, the person truly meant to do it, but if it went just a little beyond the safe line it was likely a mistake? It's the only thing I can think of.

I think it's a good idea and am wondering why this is only on the binders. If an image goes past the Safe line there's the chance the part past the line will get cut off, and if it doesn't extend past the Bleed line there's a chance there's going to be a blank spot on the edge of your product. This ensures that your background design extends to the edge of the product and that your design objects don't get cut off.
Posted: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 2:53:39 PM
If our logic is the underlying reason, it sure would be nice if it were divulged somewhere by whoever figured it out. Clever little people waking in the middle of the night with great notions. (Hate when that happens.)
Posted: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 3:01:52 PM
Colorwash wrote:
I'm sitting here trying to figure out why whoever set it up thought this was a necessary thing to do. Did they maybe think that if an image went completely off the grid, the person truly meant to do it, but if it went just a little beyond the safe line it was likely a mistake? It's the only thing I can think of.

When binders were a new product we were told that it was Avery that set up these restrictions.
Posted: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 3:55:09 PM
Ok! This was informative and helpful to me. Because of this thread and Maz's answers I went back and looked at my wedding guest book binders and realized there were error warnings on them when you go in to customize. I sure don't remember getting them when I was creating them. But at any rate I am glad I know now they must be redesigned or scrapped in favor of the new, real guest books. So I hid them until I decide which to do. I hope no broken affiliate links result but they were not worth promoting anyway if they were not going to print correctly. Thanks all!
Posted: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 3:46:48 AM
Shellibean_on_zazzle wrote:
Thanks all!

I agree. Thanks to all of us, and for sure, thanks to the OP for requesting help, without which none of us would have finally found clarity. I no longer have to go on periodic binder rants.
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