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Posted: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 10:29:41 AM
There is something wrong with Zazzle's system.

Zazzle isn't even listed as a place people can go to in Google Shopping for items.
Check it out;
search for " Renuncia Puerto Rico Protest"

you'll see the options don't include Zazzle


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Posted: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 11:05:01 AM
Skip wrote:
Why am I being discriminated against???

It's not personal. Many of us have found ourselves excluded from Zazzle's search results and promotional curation.

Skip wrote:
I work very hard to put designs on Zazzle and you're not allowing them to be seen on the internet.

Not entirely true; they're not letting search engines index them from Zazzle's site. This makes it necessary to promote your work elsewhere.

Whether or not that's 'fair' is subjective. Seems like an elite club with very exclusive membership to me, as an outsider looking in. But one could also make the argument that those who get indexed and promoted by Zazzle have earned it through sales volume/repeat sales.

It can feel like a Catch 22 situation: Can't sell anything if you can't be seen / can't be seen if you can't sell anything.

Whatever the case, it's not a 'bug', but a 'feature' of Zazzle.

Posted: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 11:25:43 AM
So is this why my linkovers dropped to single digits a few weeks ago in spite of my doing as much, if not more promotion than ever?
Posted: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 11:31:55 AM
Anderson_Designs wrote:
So is this why my linkovers dropped to single digits a few weeks ago in spite of my doing as much, if not more promotion than ever?

It might be that Zazzle has fixed the "falsely" inflated linkovers issue. It used to be that every time you promoted something using Zazzle's share buttons, that would count as a linkover, when it shouldn't have done.

So maybe they fixed that and so it looks like they've dropped?
Posted: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 11:36:21 AM
Anderson_Designs wrote:
So is this why my linkovers dropped to single digits a few weeks ago in spite of my doing as much, if not more promotion than ever?

Seems like that would be a separate issue. Linkovers come from things you post outside Zazzle's domains, right? So it shouldn't matter that Zazzle doesn't allow the product pages to be indexed by bots visiting their own site. Those links (and accompanying text, keywords) may or may not still be indexed on the sites where they live, at least as I understand things.
Posted: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 12:08:27 PM
Skip wrote:
This is why my views and associate linkover history numbers have plummeted.

all the items I currently have posted
https://www.zazzle.com/s/storm+area+51?q=storm+area+51&sgsc=storm%3aarea%3a51&f_si=250692501813267351

VS what items Zazzle has deemed fit to expose to search engines
https://www.zazzle.com/storm+area+51+gifts?q=storm+area+51&sgsc=storm%3aarea%3a51&f_si=250692501813267351

56 items vs 6 items that can actually be seen when someone searches on the internet
This is why I can't find my items when I do a google search....
YET other sellers have a plethora of items that are listed in the SEO section.

Why am I being discriminated against???
I work very hard to put designs on Zazzle and you're not allowing them to be seen on the internet.


If I were a shopper and wanted something to do with storm area 51 then that is what I would type in the "What do you want to make today?" search box.

This is the url that gets returned to me: https://www.zazzle.com/s/storm+area+51

56 items are there...shrugs...

I don't get where "sgsc=storm%3aarea%3a51&f_si=250692501813267351" comes from in your example url's. No customer would use all that in a search... no offense...shrugs

And I hope this isn't read as being rude, but I don't think Zazzle makes any promises to us designers about promoting our designs. They give us a platform to create products that feature our artwork/designs. But they make no promise of sales or promotion... shrugs...

And we pay nothing to be able to use the service. All in all not a bad deal. I for one use other POD's as well. But I sell more at Zazzle so I create more here. Not that I'm living off my work, but my designs, well, I guess... haven't gone viral or anything... and I'm one of probably 10's of thousands of designers worldwide, so until I start making mega bucks, why would Zazzle pay much attention to me, yet alone decide to promote my products... They have no proven sales history and Zazzle spends lots on advertising. Choosing to spend lots advertising my designs may be a complete waste of money, again because I have little proven sales history.

I'm starting to ramble so I'll just say that I hope you find a way to accept what you consider the short coming of a pretty great service and may sales come your way.

Posted: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 1:12:07 PM
JB Designs wrote:
Skip wrote:
This is why my views and associate linkover history numbers have plummeted.

all the items I currently have posted
https://www.zazzle.com/s/storm+area+51?q=storm+area+51&sgsc=storm%3aarea%3a51&f_si=250692501813267351

VS what items Zazzle has deemed fit to expose to search engines
https://www.zazzle.com/storm+area+51+gifts?q=storm+area+51&sgsc=storm%3aarea%3a51&f_si=250692501813267351

56 items vs 6 items that can actually be seen when someone searches on the internet
This is why I can't find my items when I do a google search....
YET other sellers have a plethora of items that are listed in the SEO section.

Why am I being discriminated against???
I work very hard to put designs on Zazzle and you're not allowing them to be seen on the internet.


If I were a shopper and wanted something to do with storm area 51 then that is what I would type in the "What do you want to make today?" search box.

This is the url that gets returned to me: https://www.zazzle.com/s/storm+area+51

56 items are there...shrugs...

I don't get where "sgsc=storm%3aarea%3a51&f_si=250692501813267351" comes from in your example url's. No customer would use all that in a search... no offense...shrugs

And I hope this isn't read as being rude, but I don't think Zazzle makes any promises to us designers about promoting our designs. They give us a platform to create products that feature our artwork/designs. But they make no promise of sales or promotion... shrugs...

And we pay nothing to be able to use the service. All in all not a bad deal. I for one use other POD's as well. But I sell more at Zazzle so I create more here. Not that I'm living off my work, but my designs, well, I guess... haven't gone viral or anything... and I'm one of probably 10's of thousands of designers worldwide, so until I start making mega bucks, why would Zazzle pay much attention to me, yet alone decide to promote my products... They have no proven sales history and Zazzle spends lots on advertising. Choosing to spend lots advertising my designs may be a complete waste of money, again because I have little proven sales history.

I'm starting to ramble so I'll just say that I hope you find a way to accept what you consider the short coming of a pretty great service and may sales come your way.



Thanks for your "opinion"

The main purpose of this thread is to show that zazzle's seo isn't working.
The major problem is that Zazzle is promoting spam designs (ie 26 woodgrain paterns) and leaving out quite a bit of content.....and not just mine.
Read my posts.

"shrug"
Posted: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 1:51:56 PM
I would consider that Zazzle has been around for 14 years, I believe. Something like 200 - 250 million dollars in sales last year.

They are definitely doing something right. Especially since competition in this market space has grown over those years.

I think they have something like 300 million products on the site. That's a lot to promote. And believe me, I wish they promoted all my stuff more, but to say their SEO isn't working because all of your products aren't appearing in the urls that you have provided seems "strong."

But for all I know you may work in SEO and have all sorts of experience in the field that I am unaware of.

And I'm sorry if I seem like I'm picking a fight, it's not my intent. I have read a lot of dissatisfied posts from Zazzlers on the forums lately. It is too bad that the 10's of 1000's of other designers don't pop in and share their success's or positive experiences with Zazzle. Zazzle has so many users that it will never make everyone happy, but they still manage a huge business and give us the opportunity to be a part of it and share our works with the world.

Humbly

Josh
Posted: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 2:03:27 PM
JB Designs wrote:
I would consider that Zazzle has been around for 14 years, I believe. Something like 200 - 250 million dollars in sales last year.

They are definitely doing something right. Especially since competition in this market space has grown over those years.

I think they have something like 300 million products on the site. That's a lot to promote. And believe me, I wish they promoted all my stuff more, but to say their SEO isn't working because all of your products aren't appearing in the urls that you have provided seems "strong."

But for all I know you may work in SEO and have all sorts of experience in the field that I am unaware of.

And I'm sorry if I seem like I'm picking a fight, it's not my intent. I have read a lot of dissatisfied posts from Zazzlers on the forums lately. It is too bad that the 10's of 1000's of other designers don't pop in and share their success's or positive experiences with Zazzle. Zazzle has so many users that it will never make everyone happy, but they still manage a huge business and give us the opportunity to be a part of it and share our works with the world.

Humbly

Josh


Josh,
I appreciate some of your comments and agree with them.
However,You are failing to see my point.
Read all of my posts.
Thanks
Posted: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 2:07:15 PM
From the Zazzle help section:

"Lastly, be sure to be mindful of the 'quality' of your title. Quality refers to how unique your title is, as well as how relevant your keywords are to one another. In other words, if you reuse your titles across multiple products, or if you try to stuff a bunch of non-relevant keywords into your title (e.g., stuffing keywords like birthday/ wedding / rsvp / graduation into the same title), then search will most likely not surface your results because it will think your product is spam."

https://help.zazzle.com/hc/en-us/articles/115000373127-Title-Description-Tagging-Best-Practices

How many time is Storm Are 51 in your title... I didn't look at your tags...

I have the same "issue" with some of my MINI Cooper designs, I'm sure that few of the 100's of products I have the designs on get promoted because they have title and tags that are so similar and Zazzle bots and google bots don't like that... And that sucks because someone might have bought it on a pair of socks instead of the ad they saw for headphones. But that's on me... due to my title and tags.
Posted: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 2:11:36 PM
JB Designs wrote:
From the Zazzle help section:

"Lastly, be sure to be mindful of the 'quality' of your title. Quality refers to how unique your title is, as well as how relevant your keywords are to one another. In other words, if you reuse your titles across multiple products, or if you try to stuff a bunch of non-relevant keywords into your title (e.g., stuffing keywords like birthday/ wedding / rsvp / graduation into the same title), then search will most likely not surface your results because it will think your product is spam."

https://help.zazzle.com/hc/en-us/articles/115000373127-Title-Description-Tagging-Best-Practices

How many time is Storm Are 51 in your title... I didn't look at your tags...

I have the same "issue" with some of my MINI Cooper designs, I'm sure that few of the 100's of products I have the designs on get promoted because they have title and tags that are so similar and Zazzle bots and google bots don't like that... And that sucks because someone might have bought it on a pair of socks instead of the ad they saw for headphones. But that's on me... due to my title and tags.



Josh
Read my posts.
Going back to the phone grips.
Zazzle is not making my content available yet they are allowing items like the 26 woodgrain patterns to be promoted.
Do you understand?
Posted: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 2:49:21 PM
We know Zazzle generally limits search results to 17 pages of products. It doesn't surprise me that my stuff doesn't show up in that situation, where there's a ton of competition just to appear at all.

What can be shocking (and maybe it's the point Skip is making here), is when there are far fewer results - sometimes it's even less than a full page - and one's matching items still aren't shown to potential buyers.

Think about it: There's a match that might be the one a customer would actually purchase, but they can't - because they're prevented from finding it.

That's when things seem broken to me. But my assumption is that it's because not all stores or product pages are indexed for search - not even by Zazzle themselves.

Too bad for customers if they're trying to find that one unindexed product. I can only assume the prospects of lost business are outweighed by something else.
Posted: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 2:55:24 PM
Felosarix wrote:
We know Zazzle generally limits search results to 17 pages of products. It doesn't surprise me that my stuff doesn't show up in that situation, where there's a ton of competition just to appear at all.

What can be shocking (and maybe it's the point Skip is making here), is when there are far fewer results - sometimes it's even less than a full page - and one's matching items still aren't shown to potential buyers.

Think about it: There's a match that might be the one a customer would actually purchase, but they can't - because they're prevented from finding it.

That's when things seem broken to me. But my assumption is that it's because not all stores or product pages are indexed for search - not even by Zazzle themselves.

Too bad for customers if they're trying to find that one unindexed product. I can only assume the prospects of lost business are outweighed by something else.



As soon as the phone grips were announced I started to create some.
I watched the pages as the item numbers increased but my grips weren't being listed. (way below 17 pages)
However, I kept seeing items like the 26 "wood grain" patterns clogging up the pages.
I understand what some of you are saying and I know you're trying to help but can you see why its so frustrating?
Posted: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 3:03:00 PM
To be honest, I understand a little. But don't know enough about how all the bots work to be able to say you are being treated unfairly. It took a little while but the wood grain ones do share similar or same titles but have very different descriptions and tags. From what I understand, all be it very little, perhaps, descriptions and tags that are the same or close to the same get read as spam. And it would seem that they error on the side of caution and do share/read/index (don't know the term) some of the items they (the bots) think are spam. So instead of all my "MINI Me" products being excluded, only 10 of 300+ get "picked up" by the bots.

Are bots smart enough to know the potential audience for a product based on the words they see? If so, wood grain phone grip may have much more potential than Storm Area 51. So maybe in the bots "eyes" one set of key words is preferred. Is Storm Area 51 an event? If so do the bots "know." And therefor "grab" those products less or more depending on how far out the event is. ie. Event is 2 days away, people won't have time to receive the item... I don't know. Or maybe they know that Storm area 51 is going to be a really niche market and that wood grain is going to garner more attention.

And I would assume there is some correlation between the amount of time a bot "surfs" a site and the number of products on it. Maybe 300 million products only takes minutes, maybe not. Does Zazzle have to pay to have the bots come and read the site? I have seen "products" created with Quick Create where the design doesn't fit or is way to big... If Zazzle paid for everything to be read by bots, they would be wasting lots of money on products like that.


And with all those thoughts, I haven't read anywhere that Zazzle has an obligation to promote our stuff...

This discussion has created a desire for me to learn much more. Thanks for that.

And if you still feel I don't understand, I'm just going to let it be.

Well wishes

Josh
Posted: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 3:08:21 PM
Skip wrote:
I understand what some of you are saying and I know you're trying to help but can you see why its so frustrating?

Yes. Yes, I do. I guess you could say I've just given up, and decided that "Zazzle works in mysterious ways." It would be fair to say that I've decided battling Zazzle's search idiosyncrasies aren't worth my sanity.
Posted: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 3:16:52 PM
JB Designs wrote:
I have seen "products" created with Quick Create where the design doesn't fit or is way to big...

Exactly. That stuff gets displayed, but something beautifully designed does not. Why?

Because it's all done by machines that can't see. The spammers and gamers remain the winners in this, from the things I've seen.

I continue to work on titles/tags/description. But I've also reached a place where, for me personally, I no longer see any point in even trying to be seen in Zazzle's marketplace.
Posted: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 3:24:45 PM
As a jester of good will, I found 2 pacifiers of yours that go well on one of my Pinterest Boards "Funny Pacifiers," and added them to it.

Danger Teething Shark: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/801570433660607587/

D.T. Danger Teething: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/801570433660607597/

If you want me to take them down, let me know.

Otherwise may those pins bring you sales.

Josh
Posted: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 6:29:15 PM
JB Designs wrote:
As a jester of good will, I found 2 pacifiers of yours that go well on one of my Pinterest Boards "Funny Pacifiers," and added them to it.

Danger Teething Shark: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/801570433660607587/

D.T. Danger Teething: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/801570433660607597/

If you want me to take them down, let me know.

Otherwise may those pins bring you sales.

Josh



LOL Thanks
Posted: Saturday, July 27, 2019 11:51:22 PM
Skip wrote:
This is why my views and associate linkover history numbers have plummeted.

all the items I currently have posted
https://www.zazzle.com/s/storm+area+51?q=storm+area+51&sgsc=storm%3aarea%3a51&f_si=250692501813267351

VS what items Zazzle has deemed fit to expose to search engines
https://www.zazzle.com/storm+area+51+gifts?q=storm+area+51&sgsc=storm%3aarea%3a51&f_si=250692501813267351

56 items vs 6 items that can actually be seen when someone searches on the internet
This is why I can't find my items when I do a google search....
YET other sellers have a plethora of items that are listed in the SEO section.

Why am I being discriminated against???
I work very hard to put designs on Zazzle and you're not allowing them to be seen on the internet.


I'm pretty sure most of us have that problem. It's not just you.
Posted: Thursday, August 01, 2019 6:43:48 AM
Skip wrote:
The main purpose of this thread is to show that zazzle's seo isn't working.
The major problem is that Zazzle is promoting spam designs (ie 26 woodgrain paterns) and leaving out quite a bit of content.....and not just mine.
Read my posts.

"shrug"


It can get even worse. I always search then go to the newest and I have seen results, up to half a page worth, that had the exact same item just at different prices.

Then there are the products that show up that have absolutely nothing to do with the search terms but the designer has filled their tags with product names.

I've reported a couple of stores I've run across doing this but nothing ever results from it.

Posted: Sunday, August 11, 2019 7:33:09 AM
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