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Topic: Second Content
Ohhhhilovethat Posted: Thursday, January 16, 2020 8:54:30 AM
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Have you seen any line items indicating that a secondary content royalty share has happened?

I haven't yet but I do have one sale that should have been a 14.9% royalty but shows it to have been 12.9% instead.


Shelli

Me too exactly no notification - no secondary sell marking nothing....I just happened to look at my sales and catch a glimpse at one of the line items - the rate was reduced by .6%

You bet I will be looking EVERY day now at those sale royalties to see if they are being changed.
Topic: Second Content
Ohhhhilovethat Posted: Thursday, January 16, 2020 8:54:30 AM
Quote:
Have you seen any line items indicating that a secondary content royalty share has happened?

I haven't yet but I do have one sale that should have been a 14.9% royalty but shows it to have been 12.9% instead.


Shelli

Me too exactly no notification - no secondary sell marking nothing....I just happened to look at my sales and catch a glimpse at one of the line items - the rate was reduced by .6%

You bet I will be looking EVERY day now at those sale royalties to see if they are being changed.
Topic: Second Content
Ohhhhilovethat Posted: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 3:41:30 PM
Lioncrusher I completely agree with you! The customer should be paying for the entire add-on! Sadly the customers are clueless what is going on and have not a clue that they are being used. They have no idea just because they add something to a product ZAZZ will then take more of our profit.

But I had to add to this....the "giveaways" as we called them in the marketing world we would give to our customers who gave us business as a thank you.......or were called leave behinds so they would remember us to call us when they needed xyz in the future.....at marketing shows we would hand out free stuff to those hoping to get future business later in the future....etc etc....

We had to pay for these giveaways or free stuff and just eat the costs as part of our marketing expenses. I think if this is the example of secondary designs then what does that make us? Our design is not only the giveaway in sorts but we are also partially paying for it?

What is clearly happening here is ZAZZ is pushing onto us their some of their marketing expenses and not really asking us to help pay..... The question seems to be why are they really doing this and feeling they need to take another percentage of our royalty? It this not like double dipping? They are already taking their share then just because it is called secondary they came with up with an idea to be able to take more?

I think too it is completely unacceptable and disrespectful to us designers that when we make a sale - if it is secondary, it should clearly be marked as such. To just reduce our royalty by .6% as they did to me on one of my sales this week seems just rude. THere is no code no marking - I DO NOT EVEN KNOW if THIS IS REALLY TRUE? So I hate to be skeptical and not trusting but computers make mistakes all the time - customers put things on a design then change their mind! Maybe it was there then they erased it. How do I know my design became secondary? It seems extremely underhanded when I can't even see or be told what was added to my design it is like being treated like a child - because I said so....I do not have to see private information to see what was added to the design to confirm if it was truly secondary.
Topic: Second Content
Ohhhhilovethat Posted: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 3:41:30 PM
Lioncrusher I completely agree with you! The customer should be paying for the entire add-on! Sadly the customers are clueless what is going on and have not a clue that they are being used. They have no idea just because they add something to a product ZAZZ will then take more of our profit.

But I had to add to this....the "giveaways" as we called them in the marketing world we would give to our customers who gave us business as a thank you.......or were called leave behinds so they would remember us to call us when they needed xyz in the future.....at marketing shows we would hand out free stuff to those hoping to get future business later in the future....etc etc....

We had to pay for these giveaways or free stuff and just eat the costs as part of our marketing expenses. I think if this is the example of secondary designs then what does that make us? Our design is not only the giveaway in sorts but we are also partially paying for it?

What is clearly happening here is ZAZZ is pushing onto us their some of their marketing expenses and not really asking us to help pay..... The question seems to be why are they really doing this and feeling they need to take another percentage of our royalty? It this not like double dipping? They are already taking their share then just because it is called secondary they came with up with an idea to be able to take more?

I think too it is completely unacceptable and disrespectful to us designers that when we make a sale - if it is secondary, it should clearly be marked as such. To just reduce our royalty by .6% as they did to me on one of my sales this week seems just rude. THere is no code no marking - I DO NOT EVEN KNOW if THIS IS REALLY TRUE? So I hate to be skeptical and not trusting but computers make mistakes all the time - customers put things on a design then change their mind! Maybe it was there then they erased it. How do I know my design became secondary? It seems extremely underhanded when I can't even see or be told what was added to my design it is like being treated like a child - because I said so....I do not have to see private information to see what was added to the design to confirm if it was truly secondary.
Topic: Second Content
Ohhhhilovethat Posted: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 4:38:46 PM
ZBug wrote
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I think this is an example. The only reason I can think of for the strange royalty figures in the second sale is that there has been an adjustment for secondary content. My actual royalty is set at 14.9% for both cards. Note that the 'User Option' royalty has also been decreased:
(the picture of your royalty wouldn't copy)

and then you showed your sale that decreased your royalty from 14.9 to 14.4%

I just had this happen to me yesterday on one of my sales BUT the bizarre thing to my sale is I am NOT Seeing anywhere USER OPTION? SO why am I being reduced .6%


the weird stuff always happens to me?