Is the potential real? 2 pages: [1] 2
Posted: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 7:26:13 AM
Hi all,
I'm on Zazzle for 1 year now.
When joining I've red of those people who made it here pretty good, and created solid income on Zazzle.
That inspired me. I'm working VERY VERY hard to make my store the best it can be, for about a year now.

However, reading some topics on this forum, helped me learn that people here don't earn that much on Zazzle. I never hoped to get rich, but I was working hard hoping I'll have a nice passive income and maybe cut 2 days from work every week when the time comes. But I'm starting to think i'm wasting my time, even some pro sellers say that they can earn only about 50$ a month at the moment.

Was my expectation not realistic? is Zazzle a tool to enjoy design products and thats it?
Posted: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 8:41:13 AM
Are the prospects real? I can't affirm that from my own experience, but "your mileage may vary". Five years in, I think I know my own fate, but it doesn't have to be yours.

One year isn't actually very long to attempt building a business.

My one piece of advice is not to measure your own prospects against the success and failures of other.
Posted: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 12:08:36 PM
From browsing your store, I think you are very talented and have some lovely work. Here's what comes to my mind:

I would think more about which type of products a design makes most sense on. For instance, your Lady of Spring and Rainbow works are really good but they may be better suited for wall art or greeting cards as I'm not sure how many people would want a woman's face largely featured on their phone case or pillow if it's not someone they know.

I would give a little more attention to design placement and guidelines. For instance, your Frog pillowcase looks like this in the Design Tool: screenshots/FrogGuides01.png. A good portion of the frog extends past the Safe line (which some people are willing to roll the dice on but I personally am a stickler for keeping anything important inside the Safe line) but some of it extends past the Print line and then even the Bleed line. If I wanted to sell this cool frog I would resize him to ensure that none of him gets off, like this: screenshots/FrogGuides02.png. Granted, you would now have to come up with a background design for the frog to blend into but I think the extra work would be better than having your art cut-off. Here's a screenshot from browsing your store: screenshots/FrogSamples.png. It's a cool frog and I think there are definitely people who would buy the design on something, but when it appears cut-off like that as it does on those gift boxes I think people may scroll right past it since it looks abrupt and incomplete. Another example: Viola Pillow. Your artwork is great and again, I think the Viola design would sell, but not when so much of it is cut-off.

And then there are tags. Your Descriptions look pretty good but reflecting some of that info in your Tags would help. For example, here's a description of your Dog pillow:
Quote:
Retro, pop, colorful creation of Dog silhouette, Throw Pillow. Special theme of Blue & Red coloring, with simple but elegant icon styled art. Original digital art by Raphael Studio - 'Dog'. Retro pop & style, unique design. Editable text: Change the title to your preference.

and here are the tags:
Quote:
dog, cute, pet, animal, doggie, blue, red, black, pop, art

I would re-write them something like this:
dog silhouette, dog lovers, retro style, pop art, icon styled art, teal blue, magenta, red and blue, black, throw pillow

And of course - patience! I don't think anyone has gotten rich overnight here, there are literally millions of products/designs on Zazzle, it takes time (and work) to start getting seen.



Posted: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 12:53:08 PM
If you set small goals you won't get as frustrated and give up. If your only goal here on Z is to cut down on your day job you're going to get disappointed very fast. Even if you do manage to make enough, this kind of income is very unstable and unreliable.

My expectation is just to earn enough to get a check every month, I'm still waiting for that to become a reality, but I love making computer art and this is a way for me to do something with it.
Posted: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 12:59:25 PM
The designers that are making 5 or 6 figures here will not tell any one how well they are doing.
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Your The Sketchy Collection has great potential, specially the austronaut (though there`s a letter R in it)and the dino. They would make beautiful birthday party invitation for example.
Your art is cool, but try to figure out how it can be useful for the customer in a particular occasion.
Posted: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 1:15:09 PM
Col's Creations© wrote:
From browsing your store, I think you are very talented and have some lovely work. Here's what comes to my mind:

I would think more about which type of products a design makes most sense on. For instance, your Lady of Spring and Rainbow works are really good but they may be better suited for wall art or greeting cards as I'm not sure how many people would want a woman's face largely featured on their phone case or pillow if it's not someone they know.

I would give a little more attention to design placement and guidelines. For instance, your Frog pillowcase looks like this in the Design Tool: screenshots/FrogGuides01.png. A good portion of the frog extends past the Safe line (which some people are willing to roll the dice on but I personally am a stickler for keeping anything important inside the Safe line) but some of it extends past the Print line and then even the Bleed line. If I wanted to sell this cool frog I would resize him to ensure that none of him gets off, like this: screenshots/FrogGuides02.png. Granted, you would now have to come up with a background design for the frog to blend into but I think the extra work would be better than having your art cut-off. Here's a screenshot from browsing your store: screenshots/FrogSamples.png. It's a cool frog and I think there are definitely people who would buy the design on something, but when it appears cut-off like that as it does on those gift boxes I think people may scroll right past it since it looks abrupt and incomplete. Another example: Viola Pillow. Your artwork is great and again, I think the Viola design would sell, but not when so much of it is cut-off.

And then there are tags. Your Descriptions look pretty good but reflecting some of that info in your Tags would help. For example, here's a description of your Dog pillow:
Quote:
Retro, pop, colorful creation of Dog silhouette, Throw Pillow. Special theme of Blue & Red coloring, with simple but elegant icon styled art. Original digital art by Raphael Studio - 'Dog'. Retro pop & style, unique design. Editable text: Change the title to your preference.

and here are the tags:
Quote:
dog, cute, pet, animal, doggie, blue, red, black, pop, art

I would re-write them something like this:
dog silhouette, dog lovers, retro style, pop art, icon styled art, teal blue, magenta, red and blue, black, throw pillow

And of course - patience! I don't think anyone has gotten rich overnight here, there are literally millions of products/designs on Zazzle, it takes time (and work) to start getting seen.






Wow, this is very informative! Thank you very much!!!
Posted: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 4:37:20 PM
I've been here for 6 years and have put countless hours, days, weeks, months into making products and marketing. I make about $1.25 a day on average which is far less than the beggars on our streets. Yes, potential is always there but temper your expectations and don't quit your day job.
Posted: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 6:34:12 PM
A few years back I made $1500/month with print on demand on average at a competitor in Europe but my hourly income taking every hour into account I had put into it at that point was less than a shelf filler in a supermarket. These days I don't do that well by far but tend to get back there preferably here at zazzle. It ruined my plan of enjoying a passive income until I have more than the shelf filler.

So I wouldn't quit my job if this matters to you.

Happy
Posted: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 7:17:38 PM
I love your designs. The best advice I can give is don't assume your friends and colleagues know you have a zazzle store. Share periodically. Ask questions on your social media. ex: Hi friends, do you like the black background or the burgundy? Create an Instagram for your beautiful designs. With that said it will take a bit to earn. I have been at it for 1 year. I make about $40 a month. During the Holidays I made $100-$150.
It is disappointing but I am selling a lot of items. Its hard for me to set my royalties over 25%. I feel the prices are too high. I think your art is unique and you can charge more. Good luck!
Posted: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 9:17:27 PM
Thank you guys for those answers,I appreciate it!
Posted: Thursday, February 21, 2019 5:53:27 AM
I understand that it's discouraging when you work hard but don't get results.

As Fuzzy Felosarix said, one year is not long enough to build an online business.
I feel that it takes time at least three years to see a breaking point unless you are a full time Zazzler.
So I set a goal for both short and long term.

Bruno Crispin stated, “try to figure out how it can be useful for the customer in a particular occasion. ”
I agree with this. Think about your targeted customers and how they use your products and benefit from them.
No matter how nice your designs are, sometimes they don't sell just because they are nice and beautiful.

Web marketing is important as well. The products must reach and be seen by your customers.
Successful Zazzlers work hard on both creating products and promotion with patience and persistence for many years.

Also, the sales are slow recently for many designers as you can see in the other topics in the forum.
There are always ups and downs in sales.
Keep working and take a break sometimes.
Posted: Thursday, February 21, 2019 10:41:45 AM
OP have given you some great advice above...but just to let you know it is
possible to make an income here. Most of the really big guns are affiliates selling other peoples products as well as their own but I make a decent part-time income just with my own stores and very little in the way of referrals. It did take time and hard work to get where I am now. I don't want to disclose my income naturally, but lets just say it's enough to pay the rent. So your goal of working part-time is possible, it's just not going to happen over night.
Pay attention to the Zazzle market place...that's your competition. See what shows up when you search for your own keywords. If there are thousands of products in the same search as your's, you will have to figure out how to make your own products more desirable, more creative or more customer friendly than any one else's.

Best of luck and don't give up!
Posted: Saturday, February 23, 2019 3:31:57 AM
Adding to the valuable information provided by fellow Zazzlers Raphael, only
add your design via quick create on products which suit your potential market and are sized correctly. Frog images and paintings make great calenders for nature lovers, postcards also! ColleenZ has great advice for you here! Jilly
Posted: Saturday, February 23, 2019 10:22:39 PM
What you read is wrong. There are plenty of people on zazzle making big money. The potential is there for anyone willing to put in the effort. Lots and lots of effort.
Posted: Sunday, February 24, 2019 7:09:16 AM
templeofswag wrote:
What you read is wrong.

Not entirely. Let's look at these two statements:

Quote:
people here don't earn that much on Zazzle

This is only false in that it is an overly broad statement. Some people make steady money on Zazzle, some do not.

What's the percentage that do, versus those that don't? We don't know. However, we can extrapolate from what is known more generally about new business ventures: More fail than succeed. This probably holds true for new designers hoping to make steady money from Zazzle. The potential is there in a very general way; Zazzle provides an opportunity, but it can't promise success.

Quote:
some pro sellers say that they can earn only about 50$ a month at the moment

This is true statement. I'm a pro seller. I make much less than 50$ a month.

And no, I'm not looking for advice or encouragement. I've chosen to accept the truth about my own limitations.

templeofswag wrote:
There are plenty of people on zazzle making big money.

What percentage is "plenty", though?

templeofswag wrote:
The potential is there for anyone willing to put in the effort. Lots and lots of effort.

It takes more than effort. It takes talent and skill, beyond being able to create art, coming up with witty or inspirational sayings, etc. A person can crank out thousands of product offerings, and not sell a single one, if they don't pair that effort with learning how to design a product that people will want to buy.

Likewise, if they spend a lot of time marketing their work, but fail to pair that effort with learning how to reach the right people, their efforts are likely to fall flat.

Bottom line, the potential for success isn't the same thing as having the abilities to succeed, and neither does working hard guarantee success. People can still fail at this despite working hard.

Which doesn't mean they shouldn't try. I just think optimism needs to be tempered with a big dose of realism.

ETA: And thus, my earlier advice not to measure your own prospects against the success and failures of other
Posted: Sunday, February 24, 2019 11:47:34 AM
Quote:
ETA: And thus, my earlier advice not to measure your own prospects against the success and failures of other


Best advice for newbies and oldies. there are too many variables to make any blanket statements about what works and what doesn't work.

Potential is just that and depends on what you do with it, success is an elastic word that means different things to different people.

My favorite quote is:

"I have not failed, I have just found 10,000 ways that won't work" ~Thomas Edison.
Posted: Friday, March 01, 2019 1:47:35 PM
Felosarix wrote:
templeofswag wrote:
What you read is wrong.

Not entirely. Let's look at these two statements:

Quote:
people here don't earn that much on Zazzle

This is only false in that it is an overly broad statement. Some people make steady money on Zazzle, some do not.

What's the percentage that do, versus those that don't? We don't know. However, we can extrapolate from what is known more generally about new business ventures: More fail than succeed. This probably holds true for new designers hoping to make steady money from Zazzle. The potential is there in a very general way; Zazzle provides an opportunity, but it can't promise success.

Quote:
some pro sellers say that they can earn only about 50$ a month at the moment

This is true statement. I'm a pro seller. I make much less than 50$ a month.

And no, I'm not looking for advice or encouragement. I've chosen to accept the truth about my own limitations.

templeofswag wrote:
There are plenty of people on zazzle making big money.

What percentage is "plenty", though?

templeofswag wrote:
The potential is there for anyone willing to put in the effort. Lots and lots of effort.

It takes more than effort. It takes talent and skill, beyond being able to create art, coming up with witty or inspirational sayings, etc. A person can crank out thousands of product offerings, and not sell a single one, if they don't pair that effort with learning how to design a product that people will want to buy.

Likewise, if they spend a lot of time marketing their work, but fail to pair that effort with learning how to reach the right people, their efforts are likely to fall flat.

Bottom line, the potential for success isn't the same thing as having the abilities to succeed, and neither does working hard guarantee success. People can still fail at this despite working hard.

Which doesn't mean they shouldn't try. I just think optimism needs to be tempered with a big dose of realism.

ETA: And thus, my earlier advice not to measure your own prospects against the success and failures of other



I bet you're a blast at parties.
Posted: Tuesday, March 05, 2019 7:59:47 AM
Raphael Barel wrote:
Hi all,
I'm on Zazzle for 1 year now.
When joining I've red of those people who made it here pretty good, and created solid income on Zazzle.
That inspired me. I'm working VERY VERY hard to make my store the best it can be, for about a year now.

However, reading some topics on this forum, helped me learn that people here don't earn that much on Zazzle. I never hoped to get rich, but I was working hard hoping I'll have a nice passive income and maybe cut 2 days from work every week when the time comes. But I'm starting to think i'm wasting my time, even some pro sellers say that they can earn only about 50$ a month at the moment.

Was my expectation not realistic? is Zazzle a tool to enjoy design products and thats it?


You do not say how much you have earned over the first year. I'm approaching 1 year and I have been averaging $10 per month. I put a lot of work in the first 3 months and churned out a few thousand products then gave up and focused my efforts elsewhere.

I never expected to earn a lot but I had hoped for $100 per month after some effort.

I think the search algorithm is a huge challenge for newbies. You need sales to improve your visibility but you need to first appear higher in searches in order to get sales.

I suspect a small minority earn big money but for most it is crumbs.
Posted: Tuesday, March 05, 2019 9:33:14 AM
I am fairly new. Here is what I have learned so far. I think the key is making products that are TRENDING. It is critical! We need to focus on making products that are HOT at the moment and stuff that people really WANT. I can put 10,000 products online that I find super cute, but it will not do me a bit of good if nobody is interested in buying them.

We must study trends.

We must focus on what the market wants.

If I just create products that appeal only to me, I am taking a great gamble. I may succeed but I have a greater chance of succeeding if I study what sells.

I am struggling with health issues at the moment, but I can't wait to create more products when I recover fully. I wish you all the best!!
Posted: Tuesday, March 05, 2019 10:00:39 AM
If you could ever strike a balance between trendy and timeless then you would have a chance at steady income from a POD like this. Trends are nice while they last but you also need timeless things that are always popular to hold you over during the down trends.
Posted: Tuesday, March 05, 2019 10:11:01 AM
MissMelissa wrote:

We must study trends.

We must focus on what the market wants.



To this end, it is helpful to follow Zazzle's lead when they release a new product.

Over the past year or so, their new product announcements in the News forum have included design advice such as predicted uses of the new product and trending searches. Their Zazzle chats also give design advice. For example, the new waterproof labels predicted they'd wind up labeling belongings in preschools or nursing homes among other places. Taking these things into consideration can help make designs more likely to be bought because you get out of your own head a bit and think about a potential customer, not just what you consider a cute design.
Posted: Tuesday, March 05, 2019 2:12:47 PM
awfultees wrote:
I bet you're a blast at parties.

I bet that I don't care if people think I am or not. Happy

People can have fun 'Zazzling'. But if someone expects to make money, then it's not all fun and games.
Posted: Wednesday, March 06, 2019 6:54:56 AM
Shocked


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There is potential for anyone willing to put in the effort. Don't ever let anyone el you that you won't succeed. If this is what you want to do, then go for it. Have patience. Have fun.



Posted: Wednesday, March 06, 2019 7:11:29 AM
templeofswag wrote:
Shocked


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Maura Reed https://www.zazzle.com/mbr/238784733912876160

Jennifer https://www.zazzle.com/mbr/238514331490316065

Jennifer Cambray https://www.zazzle.com/mbr/238640686067985882

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Terry https://www.zazzle.com/mbr/238166637468502737

Amy Marsh https://www.zazzle.com/mbr/238988414664219412

Nichole B https://www.zazzle.com/mbr/238521347396551976

Jess https://www.zazzle.com/mbr/238415876466474673



Pro Gold: Earnings of $100,000 and up

Blush Paper Co https://www.zazzle.com/mbr/238994287300015958

Becky Nimoy https://www.zazzle.com/mbr/238174814038280309



There is potential for anyone willing to put in the effort. Don't ever let anyone el you that you won't succeed. If this is what you want to do, then go for it. Have patience. Have fun.





So 11 people out of ten of thousands are doing very well?


Posted: Wednesday, March 06, 2019 8:05:00 AM
Do these designers know that you are posting them here? Maybe not such a great idea...

I mean it is amazing that they are doing so well and I am of a mind that if it can happen for them then why not me too but still... naming them here in a list might not be appreciated by them.
Posted: Wednesday, March 06, 2019 10:18:42 AM
ArtAttic wrote:
🌼Shelli Fitzpatrick wrote:
Do these designers know that you are posting them here? Maybe not such a great idea...

I mean it is amazing that they are doing so well and I am of a mind that if it can happen for them then why not me too but still... naming them here in a list might not be appreciated by them.


It's not that they make a secret out of it themselves, they show what level they are on their profiles. So it's public information. Anybody could have looked this up themselves. And those that follow what goes on in the MP would already have figured out which designers do that well.



yeah that's true...
Posted: Saturday, March 09, 2019 1:59:56 PM
Andrew Michael wrote:
templeofswag wrote:
Shocked


Pro Diamond: Earnings of $500,000 and up

Maura Reed https://www.zazzle.com/mbr/238784733912876160

Jennifer https://www.zazzle.com/mbr/238514331490316065

Jennifer Cambray https://www.zazzle.com/mbr/238640686067985882

Kathleen Fusinski https://www.zazzle.com/mbr/238117703313422154

Kristine Juckiewicz https://www.zazzle.com/mbr/238268158663897865




Pro Platinum: Earnings of $250,000 and up

Terry https://www.zazzle.com/mbr/238166637468502737

Amy Marsh https://www.zazzle.com/mbr/238988414664219412

Nichole B https://www.zazzle.com/mbr/238521347396551976

Jess https://www.zazzle.com/mbr/238415876466474673



Pro Gold: Earnings of $100,000 and up

Blush Paper Co https://www.zazzle.com/mbr/238994287300015958

Becky Nimoy https://www.zazzle.com/mbr/238174814038280309



There is potential for anyone willing to put in the effort. Don't ever let anyone el you that you won't succeed. If this is what you want to do, then go for it. Have patience. Have fun.





So 11 people out of ten of thousands are doing very well?




No I just stopped looking for more people. The point is there is potential.
Posted: Saturday, March 09, 2019 2:01:38 PM
🌼Shelli Fitzpatrick wrote:
Do these designers know that you are posting them here? Maybe not such a great idea...

I mean it is amazing that they are doing so well and I am of a mind that if it can happen for them then why not me too but still... naming them here in a list might not be appreciated by them.


It's on the profile for everyone to see. Also they are listed on zazzles top designers page. lol
Posted: Saturday, March 09, 2019 2:05:10 PM
To the people here that want to be negative... there's the door. If you think this is a waste of time, then go do whatever it is you were doing before you got here.
Posted: Saturday, March 09, 2019 5:59:42 PM
templeofswag wrote:
To the people here that want to be negative... there's the door. If you think this is a waste of time, then go do whatever it is you were doing before you got here.


Guess why the one-percenter are called one-perscenter.

The potential is certainly there but getting there is not just talent and hard work. There is luck and often capital to begin with involved.

Potential is just that potential.
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