Remake of Alopecia Kid's tee
Posted: Sunday, January 19, 2020 6:11:21 AM
I had a tee shirt promoting alopecia awareness. My little great grandson has alopecia and that inspired me to make a tee shirt. It has sold one time. And has over 100 views.

However, on the tee shirt the little bald guy is winking and giving an OK sign. It has been the news lately that the OK sign is associated with a hate group. I didn't mean to promote a hate group or give offense.

I have remade the shirt with the little boy/girl just waving and not winking.
I have set the original tee shirt to direct only with a note about the altered version. But am thinking I should maybe delete it instead of redirecting potential buyers to the corrected version, before I get any complaints about the OK sign.

What do you think?
Posted: Sunday, January 19, 2020 7:23:40 AM
I wouldn't worry about it, honestly. Everything seems to be a hate symbol these days. *eye roll*.

I think as long as the tshirts mentions alopecia, people will figure out that its not a hate symbol.

Also, if you've already sold a copy of the shirt, I personally would unhide it.
Posted: Sunday, January 19, 2020 8:25:35 AM
Thanks Valerie's Gallery. People are so sensitive these days. I would hate it if anyone thought I was encouraging little kids to take part in a hate group.
Posted: Sunday, January 19, 2020 9:04:03 AM
I'm just going to say how it is, most of the celebrities or whoever claim it as a hate symbol have used it themselves in the past on numerous occasions. It's all sensationalism to take our eyes off what's going on behind the scenes.
Posted: Sunday, January 19, 2020 9:04:49 AM
randysgrandma wrote:
Thanks Valerie's Gallery. People are so sensitive these days. I would hate it if anyone thought I was encouraging little kids to take part in a hate group.

By capitulating to those claiming that every little thing is some kind of sign of hate, prejudice, or whatever, we encourage that kind of behavior, so keep on doing what you're doing. If we ignore them, they'll go away. The OK sign has long been and will continue being a sign of approval.
Posted: Sunday, January 19, 2020 10:03:25 AM
Agree. I also believe it is not about sensitivity, I believe people of special kind just found another way of manipulating/bullying others. In the past, they would pursue you for the clothes you wear, now for the signs you use. It has nothing to do with sensitivity, it is about bullying and taking advantages of being "right".
Posted: Sunday, January 19, 2020 10:27:59 AM
That one's definitely a context thing.... there are people who are trying to co-opt OK, but it's such a universal thing (at least in US culture - other places it can be naughty or insulting) that I highly, highly doubt anyone will think your usage is associated with any hate group.

Some hate groups use numbers to identify themselves too - but no one in their right mind is going to say we need to stop using the number 12 - of course not. It's all about context - now if you see it say, tattooed on someone and combined with other symbols the same group uses, then yeah it probably means something, but on a happy birthday you are 12 card - not so much.
Posted: Sunday, January 19, 2020 11:19:54 AM
Posted: Sunday, January 19, 2020 11:31:34 AM
Maz wrote:
https://www.npr.org/2019/09/26/764728163/the-ok-hand-gesture-is-now-listed-as-a-symbol-of-hate


Very sad!!
Posted: Sunday, January 19, 2020 12:15:32 PM
Maz wrote:
https://www.npr.org/2019/09/26/764728163/the-ok-hand-gesture-is-now-listed-as-a-symbol-of-hate


If the human race gets any dumber, it'll turn into a giant amoeba.
Posted: Sunday, January 19, 2020 12:34:21 PM
I think it would be (ahem) ok to both leave the original version and to leave the note directing to the alternate version. Probably both should be in a collection.

On the one hand, the ok hand symbol did get co-opted by unsavory hate groups. On the other hand, this happened only in the last couple years and is still extremely context dependent. I am confident that the alopecia context will be enough to crowd out this new, terrible re-branding.
Posted: Sunday, January 19, 2020 12:41:15 PM
thanks Susan. I didn't have enough products for a collection, but I have been making more and probably have enough now. Also there are some other alopecia related designs on Zazzle, not a lot comparatively speaking, but enough for a collection.

What really had me concerned was the cartoon showed not only the OK sign but also the boy was winking, which may have been taken as a sign that there was really a different meaning behind it.

Anyway the original is direct only now just in case someone was promoting it. (Which I highly doubt).
Posted: Sunday, January 19, 2020 12:49:12 PM
Just for sake of argument.... you may simply want to also have an alternate design available because the OK sign has never been nice in some other cultures (much of Europe, I think - at very least Germany and Italy).... where it means a***ole.
Posted: Sunday, January 19, 2020 12:59:16 PM
Invincible Penguin wrote:
in some other cultures (much of Europe, I think - at very least Germany and Italy).... where it means a***ole.


I'm Italian, but I've never heard or thought that the ok sign means a***ole Shocked
Posted: Sunday, January 19, 2020 1:07:00 PM
Cristina wrote:
Invincible Penguin wrote:
in some other cultures (much of Europe, I think - at very least Germany and Italy).... where it means a***ole.


I'm Italian, but I've never heard or thought that the ok sign means a***ole Shocked


Maybe I'm wrong about that... perhaps just in the south? I thought I remembered before I went that I read it was a naughty hand gesture that I should avoid in Italy... but that was also 20 years ago now and things change... as far as I know it is still considered to be vulgar in Greece, Turkey and some other nearby countries.
Posted: Monday, January 20, 2020 12:32:51 AM
Lists! Pshh. My name was on a list back in 1994 for being in a witch cult because I lived with three girls who liked to play with tarot cards and Ouija boards on the deck at night by candlelight. They weren't witches, they were servers at a Cracker Barrel. A friend of mine who was PD told me about it. Apparently a neighbor "reported" us and they made a profile on all of us, lol.

And now here we are in 2020 with the internet, where everyone is a nosy neighbor with outrage and umbrage.

This "okay" thing reminds me of an Everybody Loves Raymond episode. In the episode Raymond is chastising his brother Robert, who is a police officer, for unjustly arresting a civilian because he would not stop making gang signs.

Raymond: But he wasn't in a gang was he, Robert?
Robert: No.
Raymond: He wasn't making gang signs was he?
Robert: No.
Raymond: What was he doing, Robert?
Robert: He was being deaf.

In American Sign Language I believe the okay gesture by itself means "small".

The okay hand gesture goes back to Greece in the fifth century BCE. It meant "love". It then appeared throughout the Buddhist and Hindu diasporas as a symbol of inner perfection. The earliest record of it being used in the English speaking world was in John Bulwer's 1644 Chirologia as a symbol for approval.

So, the okay hand gesture means "okay" and it has for a very very long time. Some triggered person, looking for another thing to be offended by, can't just come along and change the meaning of something that has been around for centuries.
Posted: Monday, January 20, 2020 2:28:37 AM
Jerry wrote:
Some triggered person, looking for another thing to be offended by, can't just come along and change the meaning of something that has been around for centuries.

Two things make this seemingly possible, the first being the relatively small number of people screaming about such things on the internet, in particular, Twitter. The news media is addicted to Twitter, and because they see the screaming on Twitter, they believe quite erroneously that they're seeing common opinion. They aren't, but it doesn't stop them from reporting it, which in turn validates the screaming, and the screamers grow louder. Before you know it, a portion of the public believes there's a problem, a trend, or whatever.

My solution has been to divorce myself from (anti-) social media and to have a jaded view of the newsies.
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