MHCI Capstone Projects & Zazzle
Posted: Monday, November 11, 2019 7:09:24 PM
Finally having had time to look at the link re "Maker Kits" going around, I did some more Googling/reading myself and am posting what I found for what it's worth for anyone else interested:

First - an explanation of what the Capstone project is:
https://hcii.cmu.edu/academics/mhci/capstone-project
(And an interesting/ironic note about IP rights for whatever the students might develop):
Quote:
IP, Contracts and Gifts

Carnegie Mellon University is a non-profit organization. Legally our students own the intellectual property they develop in the performance of the course. In order to participate in a sponsored project, students are required to sign a non-exclusive, royalty-free license. Any additional rights by the sponsored company are negotiated directly with the students at the completion of the project.

What is required of corporate sponsors and what they get out of it:
https://www.cmu.edu/tepper/recruiting-and-partnerships/partner-with-the-tepper-school/capstone-corporate-sponsorship.html

From what I Googled up, Zazzle has been a Capstone sponsor for a number of different years.

"Maker Kits" are the project result of the 2019 assignment and the links that best describe that project are these already going around:
https://www.wuyangwang.com/maker-kits
https://www.stumcgibbon.com/projects/zazzle.html
https://jinghu2.github.io/kits/concept.html

This is the 2018 project ("PicPong"):
http://www.crzhao.com/2016/12/10/zazzle.html
https://medium.com/@mhci.capstone18/week-1-who-are-we
http://www.hcii.cmu.edu/research/zazzle

This is the 2017 project ("Quotr"):
https://pdorazio.com/quotr-d5ea9fcccbb2
http://mhci11.andrew.cmu.edu/research.html

My thoughts:
"Maker Kits", like "PicPong" and "Quotr", are just the results of a student think-tank; ideas that Zazzle may or may not run with, they are not a set-in-stone result of a corporate initiative they spent tens of thousands of dollars on to develop and implement. They are just IDEAS. The 2017 and 2018 project results never came to full realization as spelled out by the Capstone teams so I have no reason to believe that the 2019 project idea ("Maker Kits") will be either. Zazzle has taken a little of this and a little of that from these three projects and synthesized things into the new features and directions they are taking today. We've seen some of the ideas from these projects spun off already in their own little ways but not as a whole as presented by the Capstone teams. So regardless of what one personally thinks of "Maker Kits", please keep in mind that there is nothing anywhere that says this is something Zazzle is actually going to implement in entirety. IMO, "Maker Kits" are just another idea Zazzle is taking a little of this and a little of that from as they experiment with what may or may not work for them.

* Edited to add a third 2019 link











Posted: Monday, November 11, 2019 8:04:35 PM
@Col

Well said Colleen. I just typed a whole epistle about this in response to what you wrote, positive mind you, but I deleted it. It's better I keep my thoughts to myself.

Toodles! Smile
Posted: Monday, November 11, 2019 8:41:34 PM
Col's Creations wrote:
please keep in mind that there is nothing anywhere that says this is something Zazzle is actually going to implement in entirety. IMO, "Maker Kits" are just another idea Zazzle is taking a little of this and a little of that from as they experiment with what may or may not work for them.

I actually remember an announcement about the Quotr (or something like it), though. Thought it was bizarre at the time.

While we may not see an exact implementation of "Maker Kits", it does seem clear that the new "Collaboration" and "Chat" arise from some of the ideas brought forth in the project. So it's not all innocent or just an experiment. Zazzle is looking for ideas and a way to stay relevant. And they will implement some of them, in some form.

Sadly, there will be 'casualties'. I know, because I am one. "Chat" was my deal-breaker.
Posted: Monday, November 11, 2019 8:56:50 PM
Col's Creations wrote:
So regardless of what one personally thinks of "Maker Kits", please keep in mind that there is nothing anywhere that says this is something Zazzle is actually going to implement in entirety.

Let's also keep in mind that there is nothing anywhere that says this ISN'T something Zazzle is actually going to implement in entirety.

And we can roll our eyes at the naysayer, but absence any response from Zazzle, if the negative must be true, then so must the positive.

I think I finally found a use for Schrödinger's Cat.
Posted: Monday, November 11, 2019 9:04:30 PM


Makers Lit 2019 and Changes on Zazzle

Quote:
"Welcome to Zazzle Create [...]
Take the digital artwork you create, download it and USE IT ANYWHERE FOR ANY PURPOSE [...]

Emphasis in CAPs added
Source: Create tool intro page for people not logged in yet.

Corresponds to:

Quote:
Sense of Ownership

Compared to Design Templates, user of
Maker Kits reported a greater sense of
ownership about their final designs. Although
the assets had been created and
pre-assembled by another designer, users
nevertheless felt that the designs they created
were their own.

"I'm proud of what we made together. This is the
most beautiful thing I have ever designed."

Source: https://www.stumcgibbon.com/documents/MakerKits_DesignGuideline.pdf

Plus the create tool, chat and collaborationa and the changes in the terms are all within the general mindset of this latest project. I'd say in this case much of it has been incorporated into zazzles new business strategy.
Posted: Monday, November 11, 2019 9:05:34 PM
RoyK_is_a_She wrote:
Col's Creations wrote:
So regardless of what one personally thinks of "Maker Kits", please keep in mind that there is nothing anywhere that says this is something Zazzle is actually going to implement in entirety.

Let's also keep in mind that there is nothing anywhere that says this ISN'T something Zazzle is actually going to implement in entirety.

And we can roll our eyes at the naysayer, but absence any response from Zazzle, if the negative must be true, then so must the positive.

I think I finally found a use for Schrödinger's Cat.

Red emphasis added

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THNKS
Posted: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 3:41:39 AM
I honestly do not care about these projects, be they implemented already or in progress, or forever dismissed by Zazzle, all I care is the new User Agreement and its very concerning parts. If Z implement something from these "ideas", I can adapt and work along but ONLY if the new Agreement is changed back to normal where a designer grants the license to the company and not to all its users.
Posted: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 7:57:59 AM
WittyBetty wrote:
I honestly do not care about these projects, be they implemented already or in progress, or forever dismissed by Zazzle, all I care is the new User Agreement and its very concerning parts. If Z implement something from these "ideas", I can adapt and work along but ONLY if the new Agreement is changed back to normal where a designer grants the license to the company and not to all its users.


+1

Posted: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 2:35:37 PM
+1

Posted: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 5:27:17 PM
+1!!!
Posted: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 4:21:18 PM
WittyBetty wrote:
I honestly do not care about these projects, be they implemented already or in progress, or forever dismissed by Zazzle, all I care is the new User Agreement and its very concerning parts. If Z implement something from these "ideas", I can adapt and work along but ONLY if the new Agreement is changed back to normal where a designer grants the license to the company and not to all its users.

I agree. At the very least they need to let us opt out.
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