Has any International Zazzler had there new w8ben form accepted as correct yet? 2 pages: [1] 2
Posted: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 3:15:40 PM
if you have had your updated w8ben form accepted and processed by Zazzle could you please post a template example (not with your details obviously lol) as a guide to others like me are not sure what to put on line 10 that will be acceptable to Zazzle as correctly filled in?
Posted: Thursday, July 23, 2015 8:34:51 PM
No. They keep saying line 10 is wrong. Like you, I'd like to know what we are supposed to put there.
Posted: Friday, July 24, 2015 12:13:06 AM
artsinternational wrote:
No. They keep saying line 10 is wrong. Like you, I'd like to know what we are supposed to put there.


can you tell us what it is you have put on line 10 that was rejected? Perhaps we can all 'reverse engineer' it to find the correct answer? Or at least save time not making each others mistakes? Would that be an idea?
Posted: Friday, July 24, 2015 8:08:03 AM
Great, thanks, funny_tshirt!
Posted: Saturday, July 25, 2015 12:50:04 PM
I've had my form accepted for processing with my foreign TIN, and this is what I put on mine.

For type of income: "Copyright royalties paid for the reproduction of, the use of, or the right to use, artistic works."

And for the reasons I meet the terms: "Beneficial owner is a citizen of the United Kingdom, who lives and works solely in the United Kingdom, and who is registered to pay tax to the tax authority of the British Government, Her Majesty's Revenue & Customs (HMRC). Copyright royalties have a 0% withholding rate per IRS Publication 515, Page 55, Table 1."

Obviously, if you aren't British you'll have to change those bits, and you'll also need to check in Publication 515 whether your country is listed in the Table on page 53, or the Table on page 55, and what percentage rate applies to you. Smile

Posted: Saturday, July 25, 2015 3:33:43 PM
LouieGee, when did you send in your form? I'm still waiting to hear if mine has been accepted, and I emailed them asking to notify me but still haven't heard.
Posted: Saturday, July 25, 2015 6:44:50 PM
I sent it on 23rd July, and had an email confirming it had been accepted for processing on 24th July.
Posted: Sunday, July 26, 2015 12:41:41 AM
I sent my form with the foreign TIN on July 3d and still haven't received a reply. 23 days passed! I sent another mail a few days ago - no reply.
>Sad
Posted: Sunday, July 26, 2015 4:37:49 AM
I still don't know if it's been acceptedSad I asked for confirmation and have heard nothing at all, I filled it in within a couple of weeks of getting the e-mail asking for the new form to be filled in.
Posted: Sunday, July 26, 2015 10:47:37 AM
Card4you and Pauline Jones: What did you both put down for Line 10? Maybe they're still deciding whether to accept it or tell you it needs to be redone. Sad
Posted: Sunday, July 26, 2015 11:48:00 AM
reason: Copyright Royalty, Artistic, Right of Use (and my tax % according to the tax treaty)
type of income: Royalty

Posted: Sunday, July 26, 2015 12:18:05 PM
I haven't heard anything yet but I sent my revised form only on the 24th.
Posted: Sunday, July 26, 2015 12:18:07 PM
EveStock wrote:
reason: Copyright Royalty, Artistic, Right of Use (and my tax % according to the tax treaty)
type of income: Royalty



From what I've found out, the type of income needs to be really specific like 'Copyright Royalties', as just 'Royalty' could apply to a lot of things that pay royalties like partnerships and mineral rights for land ownership.

For the reason, I think that you need to say why you as a person, meet the conditions of the treaty, so you need to say that you're not a US citizen, and you live and pay tax in your own country, as well as stating the % withholding rate.
Posted: Sunday, July 26, 2015 1:20:21 PM
LouieGee wrote:
I've had my form accepted for processing with my foreign TIN, and this is what I put on mine.

For type of income: "Copyright royalties paid for the reproduction of, the use of, or the right to use, artistic works."

And for the reasons I meet the terms: "Beneficial owner is a citizen of the United Kingdom, who lives and works solely in the United Kingdom, and who is registered to pay tax to the tax authority of the British Government, Her Majesty's Revenue & Customs (HMRC). Copyright royalties have a 0% withholding rate per IRS Publication 515, Page 55, Table 1."

Obviously, if you aren't British you'll have to change those bits, and you'll also need to check in Publication 515 whether your country is listed in the Table on page 53, or the Table on page 55, and what percentage rate applies to you. Smile



thanks LouieGee just what I needed Love Im in the UK so this is perfect for me.
poshandpainterly if you read this apologies for not messaging you via FB but my WI-FI went down so only had very spotty internet. Am writing this double quick incase I lose it again - But thank you for your offer also Love
Posted: Sunday, July 26, 2015 5:38:30 PM
funny_tshirt wrote:
thanks LouieGee just what I needed Love Im in the UK so this is perfect for me.


No problem! I hope they are consistent and accept it on your form too! Smile
Posted: Monday, July 27, 2015 9:22:28 AM
Am I the only one wo got this 'strange' email on Friday as a response to my form I sent in on Thursday? Although English isn't my first language, I'm pretty good at it, but to me it seems that they're saying, great that you sent in your TIN, but we're going to hold the 30% anyway, should we hear from the IRS, in spite of we wrote the day before?
Maybe I'm getting paranoid here, but to me it seems to if I request my commissions again, that they still can and will deduct the 30%, even later on, viewing the phrase "any pay outs during that time will be subject to" ) should the mysterious IRS contact they have decide so?


Quote:

We received your W8 form and have forwarded for it to be processed under your Foreign TIN. We strongly encourage you to still apply for an ITIN, as it is the best way to ensure you get the tax treaty benefits. Should we hear back from the US IRS and need the ITIN, we will be coming back to you for the information. If you do not have it, any pay outs during that time will be subject to the standard 30% tax rate until the ITIN information is obtained. If you would like to read more about this, you can do so here on our Zazzle Forum post:
https://forum.zazzle.com/news/update_on_international_designer_itin_requirements
Posted: Monday, July 27, 2015 7:08:56 PM
aapshop wrote:
Am I the only one wo got this 'strange' email on Friday as a response to my form I sent in on Thursday? Although English isn't my first language, I'm pretty good at it, but to me it seems that they're saying, great that you sent in your TIN, but we're going to hold the 30% anyway, should we hear from the IRS, in spite of we wrote the day before?
Maybe I'm getting paranoid here, but to me it seems to if I request my commissions again, that they still can and will deduct the 30%, even later on, viewing the phrase "any pay outs during that time will be subject to" ) should the mysterious IRS contact they have decide so?


Quote:

We received your W8 form and have forwarded for it to be processed under your Foreign TIN. We strongly encourage you to still apply for an ITIN, as it is the best way to ensure you get the tax treaty benefits. Should we hear back from the US IRS and need the ITIN, we will be coming back to you for the information. If you do not have it, any pay outs during that time will be subject to the standard 30% tax rate until the ITIN information is obtained. If you would like to read more about this, you can do so here on our Zazzle Forum post:
https://forum.zazzle.com/news/update_on_international_designer_itin_requirements


That's not exactly reassuring, is it?
Posted: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 1:12:12 AM
No, it isn't. Sad
Posted: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 5:17:28 AM
I have sent the form at the beginning of the year before the ITIN drama started. I filled in my foreign TIN without line 10. This form got accepted by Zazzle.

Do I have to take some action now? Send a new form with TIN and line 10?
It is getting a little confusing!
Posted: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 7:09:23 AM
LouieGee wrote:
I've had my form accepted for processing with my foreign TIN, and this is what I put on mine.

For type of income: "Copyright royalties paid for the reproduction of, the use of, or the right to use, artistic works."

And for the reasons I meet the terms: "Beneficial owner is a citizen of the United Kingdom, who lives and works solely in the United Kingdom, and who is registered to pay tax to the tax authority of the British Government, Her Majesty's Revenue & Customs (HMRC). Copyright royalties have a 0% withholding rate per IRS Publication 515, Page 55, Table 1."

Obviously, if you aren't British you'll have to change those bits, and you'll also need to check in Publication 515 whether your country is listed in the Table on page 53, or the Table on page 55, and what percentage rate applies to you. Smile



Thanks for this. I've just received an email telling me Line 10 needs fixing so this is a great help.

It's only taken them 35 days to let me know.
Posted: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 7:27:54 AM
LisaMarieArt wrote:
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It's only taken them 35 days to let me know.


Pitiful!
Posted: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 7:36:36 AM
ruralfrance wrote:


Pitiful!


That's what I thought. I was one of the first people to bite the bullet, when they were still insisting on an ITIN, and submitted the form with my Foreign TIN way back in June.

A few weeks later people were getting responses within a week of submitting. Thought I'd been forgotten about...

Just resent it so hopefully I'll hear back in another 35 days Happy
Posted: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 8:03:09 AM
I gave up on mine which was sent a month ago, so I resent another one (though I did notice a mistake on the first). This whole thing is a chaotic disaster and I hope Zazzle are suitably ashamed - but I guess not Smile
Posted: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 3:29:26 PM
aapshop wrote:
Am I the only one wo got this 'strange' email on Friday as a response to my form I sent in on Thursday? Although English isn't my first language, I'm pretty good at it, but to me it seems that they're saying, great that you sent in your TIN, but we're going to hold the 30% anyway, should we hear from the IRS, in spite of we wrote the day before?
Maybe I'm getting paranoid here, but to me it seems to if I request my commissions again, that they still can and will deduct the 30%, even later on, viewing the phrase "any pay outs during that time will be subject to" ) should the mysterious IRS contact they have decide so?


Quote:

We received your W8 form and have forwarded for it to be processed under your Foreign TIN. We strongly encourage you to still apply for an ITIN, as it is the best way to ensure you get the tax treaty benefits. Should we hear back from the US IRS and need the ITIN, we will be coming back to you for the information. If you do not have it, any pay outs during that time will be subject to the standard 30% tax rate until the ITIN information is obtained. If you would like to read more about this, you can do so here on our Zazzle Forum post:
https://forum.zazzle.com/news/update_on_international_designer_itin_requirements


I got the exact same email, but I took it to mean that they were going to pay me and not withhold the tax, but that any future payments might be taxed if the IRS decide they want an ITIN. I see what you mean about it being unclear though, and it's entirely possible I'm being overly optimistic in my interpretation of it (at the time I received it, I was just thrilled to have had any sort of response!).
Posted: Thursday, July 30, 2015 3:34:49 AM
Hi everyone,

We, again, appreciate your patience and realize that reaching an agreed upon approach with the IRS is taking more time than we had anticipated. We understand you’re anxious, but please know we will be posting any news immediately here on the forum as we receive it. We’d like you to be aware, however, in your quests to get updates that some of the information being shared on social media is inadvertently inaccurate. Right here on the forum is where you’ll be getting the most immediate and accurate information available.

Best,

The Zazzle Team
Posted: Thursday, July 30, 2015 9:04:19 PM
Oh, that's great sunnymars! Really pleased for you!

I also got an email saying mine had been accepted and processed under my foreign TIN, which was great. Then about 20 minutes later I got another email saying that I was being paid under default 30% withholding, which was a bit of a shock to say the least!

However, I got a really quick reply to my query from Zazzle (and confirmation I won't have any money withheld), so that was a major relief. And fantastic to get such a speedy response! Smile
Posted: Friday, July 31, 2015 3:44:47 AM
LouieGee wrote:
I've had my form accepted for processing with my foreign TIN, and this is what I put on mine.

For type of income: "Copyright royalties paid for the reproduction of, the use of, or the right to use, artistic works."

And for the reasons I meet the terms: "Beneficial owner is a citizen of the United Kingdom, who lives and works solely in the United Kingdom, and who is registered to pay tax to the tax authority of the British Government, Her Majesty's Revenue & Customs (HMRC). Copyright royalties have a 0% withholding rate per IRS Publication 515, Page 55, Table 1."

Obviously, if you aren't British you'll have to change those bits, and you'll also need to check in Publication 515 whether your country is listed in the Table on page 53, or the Table on page 55, and what percentage rate applies to you. Smile


Thank you so much LouieGee for posting this. I'm afraid I'm pretty clueless about it all, so I used your reasons and my form has now been successfully processed.
Roses Grin
Posted: Saturday, August 01, 2015 1:56:28 PM
QuirkyChic wrote:
Thank you so much LouieGee for posting this. I'm afraid I'm pretty clueless about it all, so I used your reasons and my form has now been successfully processed.
Roses Grin


Aw good, I'm glad your form has been accepted too! I had help from various people who suggested what to put on mine, so it's definitely been a group effort to figure out what to put. Smile
Posted: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 10:23:36 PM
I have had my form rejected three times now - and I am at a loss so I am glad I stumbled across this thread. Being in the UK I will follow what LouleGee (that is one comprehensive response - thanks) so finger crossed it will be 4th time lucky.
Posted: Saturday, October 03, 2015 9:15:06 AM
Thank you so much LouieGee and Liz for helping so many of us with the dreaded W8 form. I am now able to send mine and hopefully it will be fully accepted this time (my 5th attempt!)Laughing
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