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Posted: Thursday, October 05, 2017 7:51:34 AM
Smile ZRANK


Hello everyone.
I am very new to zazzle...I can not figure out the zrank...does anyone have any suggestions? Thank you for your help. xo

https://www.zazzle.com/phenomenal_boutique
Posted: Thursday, October 05, 2017 8:03:15 AM
Lisa wrote:
Smile ZRANK


Hello everyone.
I am very new to zazzle...I can not figure out the zrank...does anyone have any suggestions? Thank you for your help. xo

https://www.zazzle.com/phenomenal_boutique


Fill out your profile, add collections, share, post media, tighten up title, keywords, descriptions, promote, and make sales.

All of these come into play.

But don't stress so bad over it, once you hit a 4, you should be good.
Posted: Thursday, October 05, 2017 12:35:11 PM
I've been stuck at 4 even with mutiple sales a week.
Oh well.
Posted: Thursday, October 05, 2017 1:54:30 PM
SucculentPropagation wrote:
I've been stuck at 4 even with mutiple sales a week.
Oh well.
I get sales just about every day in fact have sold a average of 5 sales a day for 10 years and I am a 4 also.. so you got awhile to go!! Grin

Congrats however for the short time here that is a good sales history keep it up..Roses
Posted: Thursday, October 05, 2017 3:56:39 PM
Multiple sales a day?!
How?
Do you promote your store, or just good time?
Posted: Thursday, October 05, 2017 7:05:50 PM
Thank you...I am already at a 4 so I won't worry anymore. Appreciate the feedback. xo
https://www.zazzle.com/phenomenal_boutique
Posted: Thursday, October 05, 2017 7:25:53 PM
SucculentPropagation wrote:
Multiple sales a day?!
How?
Do you promote your store, or just good time?
At one time I was getting dozens of sales a day, made it to Silver Pro years ago. It is my Niche and yes promoting them. I get a lot of people referring my recovery stores also its worldwide and been doing it for 14 years.

There are people here selling a lot more than a few a day, some dozens. If your where you are already that's a good sign.

Posted: Friday, October 06, 2017 8:07:09 AM
Tinker M said:
5 sales a day for 10 years and I am a 4Shocked Laughing
made it to Silver Pro years agoShocked Laughing

Well Boys & Girls, that should answer any question you ever had about "Z rank".Laughing Laughing Laughing
Posted: Friday, October 06, 2017 8:54:20 AM
On the count of 3, let's give an enormous Bronx cheer! Laughing
Posted: Friday, October 06, 2017 2:04:29 PM
TinkerM wrote:
SucculentPropagation wrote:
Multiple sales a day?!
How?
Do you promote your store, or just good time?
At one time I was getting dozens of sales a day, made it to Silver Pro years ago. It is my Niche and yes promoting them. I get a lot of people referring my recovery stores also its worldwide and been doing it for 14 years.

There are people here selling a lot more than a few a day, some dozens. If your where you are already that's a good sign.




Thank you so much! https://www.zazzle.com/phenomenal_boutique
Posted: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 1:37:57 PM
I currently have a Zrank of 5. I've no idea how that has happened, or why it's at 5. My store is currently at 55% completion and I've only sold 45 products in the past year. I only promote my products to a single facebook group, so that can't be a factor to Zrank either. It'd be nice if someone could explain what it's all about and how it works.
Posted: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 3:04:32 PM
CFAM_Design wrote:
I currently have a Zrank of 5. I've no idea how that has happened, or why it's at 5. My store is currently at 55% completion and I've only sold 45 products in the past year. I only promote my products to a single facebook group, so that can't be a factor to Zrank either. It'd be nice if someone could explain what it's all about and how it works.


It sure would! unfortunately you know as much as we do... but hey 5 is not bad, be happy!
Posted: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 3:25:42 PM
Al Mount wrote:
Tinker M said:
5 sales a day for 10 years and I am a 4Shocked Laughing
made it to Silver Pro years agoShocked Laughing

Well Boys & Girls, that should answer any question you ever had about "Z rank".Laughing Laughing Laughing


Posted: Monday, November 13, 2017 2:46:28 PM
Zrank was the first thing I felt I needed to figure out to stay at 4 or above. When Zazzle randomly gives out lower scores, I go to all the products that are not being viewed, bought over time or have a zero for views after 4 weeks of being created and either "hide" or "delete" all of them.

My Zrank goes back up the next day. No, it doesn't hurt or bother me since I've spent so much time with editors who would delete whole paragraphs from my novels. You learn to edit yourself aggressively. So far it works very well.
Posted: Monday, November 13, 2017 4:33:40 PM
Gypsea wrote:
Zrank was the first thing I felt I needed to figure out to stay at 4 or above. When Zazzle randomly gives out lower scores, I go to all the products that are not being viewed, bought over time or have a zero for views after 4 weeks of being created and either "hide" or "delete" all of them.


This blows my mind. Are you saying only after your rank falls you cull your products like that?
Posted: Monday, November 13, 2017 5:22:03 PM
CFAM_Design wrote:
I currently have a Zrank of 5. I've no idea how that has happened, or why it's at 5. My store is currently at 55% completion and I've only sold 45 products in the past year. I only promote my products to a single facebook group, so that can't be a factor to Zrank either. It'd be nice if someone could explain what it's all about and how it works.


I looked at your store and it fits a theory floating around the forums. You have 78 products. 45 have sold. Thus over half the products in your store have sold. A theory floating around the forums is that the sale/product ratio is a strong factor. Perhaps some of those sales are repeats of the same product in which case your ratio might be 50, 40 or even 30%. But it;s still pretty high.

My ratio is 8% of my products have sold. I am at 5 zrank. Although I have more sales than you, I have also far more products. I do the math every few days to make sure my ratio doesn't fall lest I slip to 4.

Zazzle rewards raw sales but I think they also reward efficiency (so goes the theory). Anybody who can sell a healthy chunk of what they post is clearly doing some rightous curating. It's the absolute opposite of spam and I think Zazzle likes that.

That's my guess, anyway.
Posted: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 5:10:18 AM
Al Mount wrote:
Tinker M said:
5 sales a day for 10 years and I am a 4Shocked Laughing
made it to Silver Pro years agoShocked Laughing

Well Boys & Girls, that should answer any question you ever had about "Z rank".Laughing Laughing Laughing


Yes. Also, after the last glitch, when ranks dropped overnight and then returned, I decided Z rank should be the last thing I am concerned about.
Posted: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 5:15:20 AM
I've yet to figure out the ranking system, and so like everyone else, I guess, examine, and theorize. I also wonder what the benefits are to rising from a 5 to a 6 and beyond.
Posted: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 5:47:08 AM
Colorwash wrote:
I've yet to figure out the ranking system, and so like everyone else, I guess, examine, and theorize. I also wonder what the benefits are to rising from a 5 to a 6 and beyond.


An algorithm bump in search results? An elevation to the designer sidebar proper without having to click "see more"? Higher odds of having your product be the one that represents a category when somebody does a search?

There might be an algorithm bump from 5-6 but I doubt the more significant benefits (like having the chosen product that represents a category) kick in until 7, 8 or even 9.

These are my guesses from seeing repeats of certain designers when I do broad searches (like "stripes" or "monogram"). True diversity doesn't show up until the searches get pretty specific.

There seems to be a gravitational pull towards the 4-6 range (making me think it's a bell curve) based on what people post in all the zRank threads. It seems easy to rise up to 4 or fall down to 6 so if the bulk of Zazzle's designers are inside that range (if it's a bell curve), the algorithm differences might be subtle because they are being applied to so many designers.

Sales of a particular product clearly count (I am on the landing page of ping pong paddles somehow, even at 5) but the zRank may be the critical factor for a product that just launched and has no analogs (like when keyboards launched). And how did they decide whose bath towels you see when searching the fairly new bath towels? Sales of other bathroom products like shower curtains or bath sets? zRank too?

There are for sure several factors that are pretty hard to tease out. I might be able to figure it out if I devoted 100 hours to MP searches and put those results in an Excel spreadsheet and did various sorts. But nah.....
Posted: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 6:02:31 AM
Susannah Keegan wrote:
Colorwash wrote:
I've yet to figure out the ranking system, and so like everyone else, I guess, examine, and theorize. I also wonder what the benefits are to rising from a 5 to a 6 and beyond.


An algorithm bump in search results? An elevation to the designer sidebar proper without having to click "see more"? Higher odds of having your product be the one that represents a category when somebody does a search?

There might be an algorithm bump from 5-6 but I doubt the more significant benefits (like having the chosen product that represents a category) kick in until 7, 8 or even 9.

These are my guesses from seeing repeats of certain designers when I do broad searches (like "stripes" or "monogram"). True diversity doesn't show up until the searches get pretty specific.

There seems to be a gravitational pull towards the 4-6 range (making me think it's a bell curve) based on what people post in all the zRank threads. It seems easy to rise up to 4 or fall down to 6 so if the bulk of Zazzle's designers are inside that range (if it's a bell curve), the algorithm differences might be subtle because they are being applied to so many designers.

Sales of a particular product clearly count (I am on the landing page of ping pong paddles somehow, even at 5) but the zRank may be the critical factor for a product that just launched and has no analogs (like when keyboards launched). And how did they decide whose bath towels you see when searching the fairly new bath towels? Sales of other bathroom products like shower curtains or bath sets? zRank too?

There are for sure several factors that are pretty hard to tease out. I might be able to figure it out if I devoted 100 hours to MP searches and put those results in an Excel spreadsheet and did various sorts. But nah.....


we might have to pass the hat take up a donation for you so you can figure this out for us... Happy I think you are probably pretty close.
Posted: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 6:41:33 AM
Susannah Keegan wrote:
Anybody who can sell a healthy chunk of what they post is clearly doing some rightous curating.


Or they don't make a lot to begin with? ::raising hand::: I have 1170 products, and my product to sales ratio is fairly high. I think that's the most important determiner of a higher Z-rank. Next comes views--activity on your items. The rest are little things that don't account for much beyond getting you past a Z-rank of 3 or so.

Of course, I have no real data to back this up, so take it for what it's worth. Grin
Posted: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 6:53:22 AM
AugieDoggyStore wrote:
Susannah Keegan wrote:
Anybody who can sell a healthy chunk of what they post is clearly doing some rightous curating.


Or they don't make a lot to begin with? ::raising hand::: I have 1170 products, and my product to sales ratio is fairly high. I think that's the most important determiner of a higher Z-rank. Next comes views--activity on your items. The rest are little things that don't account for much beyond getting you past a Z-rank of 3 or so.

Of course, I have no real data to back this up, so take it for what it's worth. Grin

They say that the plural of anecdote isn't data but anecdote is all we got so I think it's worth a lot. You are curating even before posting, with a fine tuned sense of what image works on what product. Zazzle clearly wants this approach and rewards it with zRank.


Posted: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 7:00:00 AM
Shelli Fitzpatrick wrote:


we might have to pass the hat take up a donation for you so you can figure this out for us... Happy I think you are probably pretty close.


Tragically I am missing one crucial piece of data which is the zRank of people who never post here stating what theirs is.

I am taking the pollster's approach that if you poll a representative sample of a larger group you can extrapolate your results to the larger group (except when you can't...) People will often say that action X made their zRank rise or fall which is important data even without knowing the number. But is the forum a representative sample of Zazzle designers? That is a big question.
Posted: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 7:22:56 AM
Susannah Keegan wrote:
You are curating even before posting, with a fine tuned sense of what image works on what product.



Or just plain laziness Laughing I mostly use photographs, which aren't going to work on a lot of products, so that limits me right off the bat. What I do make, I make one at a time, which is really time consuming--so that limits me further.

Quote:
People will often say that action X made their zRank rise or fall which is important data even without knowing the number.


Except for recently when we all had a sudden drop in Z-rank for a day or two, mine never budges.
Posted: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 9:16:38 AM
Colorwash wrote:
I also wonder what the benefits are to rising from a 5 to a 6 and beyond.

None that I've been able to discern. Dropping from a 5 to a 4 may coincide with my views falling into the abyss, though.

I'm at that point where I'm afraid to post any new products, for fear of dropping right out of the marketplace entirely, thanks to zRank. On the other hand, I can't sell stuff that I don't offer. On the other other hand, I'm not selling much of anything anyway. Hiding stuff that hasn't been viewed or sold isn't likely to boost my zRank; I'd apparently also have to devalue my work by lowering my royalty rates, too.

It's a Catch 22 - can't rank if I don't sell, and can't sell if I don't rank. Maybe people who are good external promoters can get around being shut out of Zazzle's marketplace, but I'm not one of them.

If things don't improve, I'm pulling the plug come January. When I can count my sales for an entire year on one hand, it's time to quit.
Posted: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 9:19:22 AM
Susannah Keegan wrote:

But is the forum a representative sample of Zazzle designers? That is a big question.


doubtful... considering the numbers.
Posted: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 9:29:52 AM
Shelli Fitzpatrick wrote:
Susannah Keegan wrote:

But is the forum a representative sample of Zazzle designers? That is a big question.


doubtful... considering the numbers.


I think it represents people in the middle. Low sellers (other than newbies) probably aren't coming here because they don't care that much. Top sellers probably aren't coming here because they don't have any need to. That leaves the rest of us to chat away. Grin
Posted: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 11:09:29 AM
AugieDoggyStore wrote:
Shelli Fitzpatrick wrote:
Susannah Keegan wrote:

But is the forum a representative sample of Zazzle designers? That is a big question.


doubtful... considering the numbers.


I think it represents people in the middle. Low sellers (other than newbies) probably aren't coming here because they don't care that much. Top sellers probably aren't coming here because they don't have any need to. That leaves the rest of us to chat away. Grin


And we are a lovely bunch to chat with. Grin

Posted: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 11:14:12 AM
LM Gildersleeve wrote:


And we are a lovely bunch to chat with. Grin



bunch of what though? It brings a song to mind... "I've got a lovely bunch of coconuts..."

Laughing
Posted: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 11:34:52 AM
Laughing

Also, people who like to chat on forums. I've been on one of some sort for 20+ years! I have an opinion on everything.
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