z rank goes up and down 2 pages: [1] 2
Posted: Monday, February 01, 2016 7:45:15 AM
Must say that I am rather puzzled with this z rank. I know there has been loads of discussion but I simply don't "get it".

My store, which is fairly new, started with a 4. Then it slipped up to 6, then 7 and suddenly dropped to 5.

Since the "drop" (after Christmas) I've added new products and tried to be careful with wording....etc. Promoted on social media. Had friends go to my store and promote products on their social media as well. And that "5" hasn't budged.

Also, not quite sure what made it go up to 7 as I wasn't very actively creating or promoting items either.

It seems very arbitrary and I sure don't want that zrank to be a dictator but I am truly baffled.

Wondering what your experience is with zrank #



Posted: Monday, February 01, 2016 7:48:42 AM
There is much more to zrank than promoting. Zazzle hasn't confirmed this, but some of us think that a big factor is the ratio of products sold to total number of products. You added new products, so your ratio changed.
Posted: Monday, February 01, 2016 8:00:46 AM
Now that would make more sense of the up & down. Thanks Maz.
Posted: Monday, February 01, 2016 8:16:00 AM
Hm, so adding new products no matter what, will result in a poorer rank on the MP searches? Shocked

My zRank has been stuck on all my 3 stores, although products were doubled over the Winter. Maybe I should say thanks to Christmas sales, without them my zRank might have dropped like a stone...
Posted: Monday, February 01, 2016 8:39:33 AM
Sacred_Dance wrote:
Wondering what your experience is with zrank #

Well, I have nothing positive to say about it.

I've gone from a 4 to a 5, and back down to a 4. Can't figure out what does or doesn't work, so can't be bothered anymore.
Posted: Monday, February 01, 2016 8:42:42 AM
Maz wrote:
There is much more to zrank than promoting. Zazzle hasn't confirmed this, but some of us think that a big factor is the ratio of products sold to total number of products. You added new products, so your ratio changed.

+1. On the other hand, I wonder if adding new products to keep the store fresh would be a positive? Maybe only if we delete non-performers as we add items, to keep the ratio balanced?

Just throwing stuff against the wall to see what sticks. So far, not much.
Posted: Monday, February 01, 2016 9:07:26 AM
It appears that if you do not get sales you are going down , new products are a waste of time as if
can't be seen no sales, so why bother?

Many of us have not even gotten to the sales point. Many us over the last few years have lost best sellers due to the MP mess left unchanged. So only those sellers that were left on the landing pages by whatever decision that was will remain as seen means good chance of sales. It was not based on sales as I had products that sold 100's of times that were shoved off into no man's land, and unsearchable almost overnight some years ago never to get one of mine on the first few landing pages ever again even though they sold/

Those selling are pretty much not talking and it is not the Elites that I know many of them pretty much in trouble also as they have faced years of decline also. If sales keep your z-rank viable you win, us at 4's are daily on the verge of losing rankings. Those below removed from being searchable which pretty much means hidden. 4's in my opinion pretty much out of the loop anyway as the bottom of the view able barrel and sales slim and none as placements go by z-rank and all those above seen before a 4.

All of this seems just horrible for new and many old artists who worked hard for years, made Z a lot of money but not wanted anymore.

There are multiple ways now for us not to be seen, and yet to see one that will help not hurt us. JMHO

Also what has been asked and not answered.. since below 4 we are no longer searchable what does that do for our rankings on the MP when we go back up if we do?
Posted: Monday, February 01, 2016 9:33:10 AM
Reading...... and have to ask what is "MP"?
Posted: Monday, February 01, 2016 9:37:14 AM
Sacred_Dance wrote:
Reading...... and have to ask what is "MP"?

MP = marketplace, usually referring to Zazzle's marketplace.
Posted: Monday, February 01, 2016 9:41:23 AM
Thanks "Felosarix"
Posted: Monday, February 01, 2016 9:55:22 AM
Fuzzy Felosarix wrote:
Maz wrote:
There is much more to zrank than promoting. Zazzle hasn't confirmed this, but some of us think that a big factor is the ratio of products sold to total number of products. You added new products, so your ratio changed.

+1. On the other hand, I wonder if adding new products to keep the store fresh would be a positive? Maybe only if we delete non-performers as we add items, to keep the ratio balanced?

Just throwing stuff against the wall to see what sticks. So far, not much.

That's what I've been doing .. been holding at "5" since before Christmas and now wondering how to get to "6".
Posted: Monday, February 01, 2016 10:41:24 AM
TinkerM wrote:
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4's in my opinion pretty much out of the loop anyway as the bottom of the view able barrel and sales slim and none as placements go by z-rank and all those above seen before a 4.
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Well, I'm just a 4, but still I have one product listed on the first product page - not featured, just listed pretty high. I don't know for sure what keeps it there. It sold, of course, but probably not more than the rest on first page.

I realize this is not really about a custom search though, but the product rank regardless of design should be based on something, too? Anyway, heads up! Being a 4 is not like wandering in total darkness...
Posted: Monday, February 01, 2016 11:44:12 AM
KreaturShop wrote:
TinkerM wrote:
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4's in my opinion pretty much out of the loop anyway as the bottom of the view able barrel and sales slim and none as placements go by z-rank and all those above seen before a 4.
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Well, I'm just a 4, but still I have one product listed on the first product page - not featured, just listed pretty high. I don't know for sure what keeps it there. It sold, of course, but probably not more than the rest on first page.

I realize this is not really about a custom search though, but the product rank regardless of design should be based on something, too? Anyway, heads up! Being a 4 is not like wandering in total darkness...


Good to hear.. I found a few of mine but with specific unusual search words not on general pages like shower curtains, blankets etc.

Would like to see at least one of my many stores go above a 4 I have worked like crazy on them and removed many things updated tags everything I can and not a budge. Hard not to wonder why.

Posted: Monday, February 01, 2016 3:00:21 PM
TinkerM ~ I'm with you on the "hard not to wonder why" as well.
Posted: Monday, February 01, 2016 4:58:01 PM
Sacred_Dance wrote:
TinkerM ~ I'm with you on the "hard not to wonder why" as well.


Just take it piece meal at a time that is all we can do. I actually have sold 3 items this week never sold and one never viewed or so it said but that also can be wicky wacky. If I can stay getting a check each month at this point I will be happy, would be a real bummer after so many years not to...Crying Do the best you can do... we are not alone and thankfully have this forum to support each other...Love
Posted: Monday, February 01, 2016 9:51:39 PM
This is a what if idea. What I am reading on the forum is the idea that to get a higher ranking we have to try to do a lot of things like remove products sothat we have a higher ratio/percentageof products that have sold to total number of products in a store. We have to get rid of no view products and focus on products that have been viewed in the last six months. We need to complete our store and account profiles.And there are probably other things. It also seems that everyone thinks that as they complete these tasks their ranking should rise.


Today, a what-if came to me. What if Zazzle is also applying a bell curve to zrank - comparing how we do reaching these standards against how all other Zazzlers are doing reaching these standards. The top X% achievers get 10's. The next X% get 9's and so on. With the majority ending up in the middle at 4's. So if someone goes up, someone else goes down. If someone freshens their store after you, their work is fresher and goes ahead of yours. So you have to keep watching for things like products that haven't been viewed in 180 days or haven't sold in a while.

http://empxtrack.com/bell-curve-for-performance-appraisal/

Marilyn
Posted: Tuesday, February 02, 2016 9:17:46 AM
HeartOfAChildShoppe wrote:
This is a what if idea. What I am reading on the forum is the idea that to get a higher ranking we have to try to do a lot of things like remove products sothat we have a higher ratio/percentageof products that have sold to total number of products in a store. We have to get rid of no view products and focus on products that have been viewed in the last six months. We need to complete our store and account profiles.And there are probably other things. It also seems that everyone thinks that as they complete these tasks their ranking should rise.


Today, a what-if came to me. What if Zazzle is also applying a bell curve to zrank - comparing how we do reaching these standards against how all other Zazzlers are doing reaching these standards. The top X% achievers get 10's. The next X% get 9's and so on. With the majority ending up in the middle at 4's. So if someone goes up, someone else goes down. If someone freshens their store after you, their work is fresher and goes ahead of yours. So you have to keep watching for things like products that haven't been viewed in 180 days or haven't sold in a while.

http://empxtrack.com/bell-curve-for-performance-appraisal/

Marilyn


Seems like a chess game and and just not worth it to me. If Zazzle cannot judge our work on its quality and sale ability already proven and pushes us down because some one else spends all day here jumping through every hoop imaginable be they have talent or not then I don't want to play. This is a no brainer. It worked for years the way they had it set up, and just revolving art around will rack up averages on what sells or not.

I think they opened a huge can or worms for us, and a easy way to weed out many regardless of how good the art is or sales. Many of proved by a lot of hard work, and promoting that our art sells yet with these hurdles have been pretty much removed from those hard worked payoffs.
Posted: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 11:56:59 PM
Fuzzy Felosarix wrote:
Sacred_Dance wrote:
Wondering what your experience is with zrank #

Well, I have nothing positive to say about it.

I've gone from a 4 to a 5, and back down to a 4. Can't figure out what does or doesn't work, so can't be bothered anymore.


I agree with you...I can't figure it out...you think you are on the right path, doing everything right and then when your views stop adding up in your store your ranking decreases...

Z rank is not hitting me as being positive. In fact zazzle was a whole lot more fun before we all got ranked.
Posted: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 1:09:35 AM
Susang6 wrote:
In fact zazzle was a whole lot more fun before we all got ranked.


We have always been ranked.
Many years ago eric (zazzle employee) said that around 30+ different things counted in the ever changing algorithm towards our ranking in the M.P. It's just that we didn't know about it then.

It's always been a mystery, top selling products suddenly disappearing from the market place and never to be seen again and old forgotten designs start selling, things that have never sold appearing before others that have sold 1000s.

Personally I don't worry about it too much, got better things to do than check my ranks, I follow the guidelines and do the best I can with any new products I add and will clean up old products when I have time but my ranks are what they are.
I don't think it's too hard to achieve a 4 and anything above that's a bonus.
Posted: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 7:52:55 AM
Re: Ranking having always taken place...

I can't imagine how anyone would manage a marketplace without ranking, really.

But are we better off knowing what our ranking is?

Put me down as a firm 'no' on that one. It hasn't helped me a bit.
Posted: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 1:35:54 PM
Oconnart wrote:
Susang6 wrote:
In fact zazzle was a whole lot more fun before we all got ranked.


We have always been ranked.
Many years ago eric (zazzle employee) said that around 30+ different things counted in the ever changing algorithm towards our ranking in the M.P. It's just that we didn't know about it then.

It's always been a mystery, top selling products suddenly disappearing from the market place and never to be seen again and old forgotten designs start selling, things that have never sold appearing before others that have sold 1000s.

Personally I don't worry about it too much, got better things to do than check my ranks, I follow the guidelines and do the best I can with any new products I add and will clean up old products when I have time but my ranks are what they are.
I don't think it's too hard to achieve a 4 and anything above that's a bonus.


I never worried either but if your sales are coming in without having to do anything that has been suggested to your stores, and products then cool. This is not comparing apples and apples in my opinion to the algorithms that we have always had and sure we still do that we did not have to do anything as structured as this.

Personally I do not know what it has to do with other than a way to pretty much get who Zazzle wants on the MP and who they don't off. As some of the best sellers that have been here for many years, many elites are losing their behinds in sales and really good artists. I have yet to see any change at the MP aside not being able to find my products but that is not new, I was pretty much outsourced years ago so not a shocker. There is no reason that someone like myself that was making big bucks a month got outranked to the point of maybe no check soon other than a deliberate change to do that and I was not alone and we have never been able to climb back up. I just do not buy any of it. Sorry .. but don't..

Sales do not seem to count, views, working your behind off , none seems to do much and clout also has not a thing to do with no matter how much you have sold.
Ranking...??? Nah???? Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing not buying it.. some pretty awesome stores out there that do not even know about this z-rank going down quick....
Posted: Monday, July 03, 2017 9:49:32 PM
I had a positive rank 4 today morning and suddenly it's -1 after having created some collections and a new business card... here's to hoping it is just a glitch. Can somebody at Zazzle help with this? My Store link is: https://www.zazzle.com/jendesignz

Thanks..
Posted: Thursday, May 03, 2018 2:34:13 PM
My Zrank has been sitting at a 4 lately, and driving me crazy
Posted: Thursday, May 10, 2018 12:51:14 PM

I joined 4 weeks ago and have 2 stores. Both are now at zrank 4. I was wondering how that compared to everyone else.

If rank is calculated based on sales relative to total products, I see why it may not be a good idea to use 'Quick create' to create lots of products quickly. Maybe time for me to slow down.
Posted: Thursday, May 10, 2018 2:14:02 PM
Mine has been stuck at 4 since I returned in mid Feb.
Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2018 6:53:46 AM
I have 4 stores and they are all ranked #4. One store is my main, and I add new products all the time. One store I never look at and haven't added anything new in months, and its still a 4. Not sure adding new products changes the ranking.
Posted: Monday, January 14, 2019 7:31:40 AM
I have a relatively new store, started November 1, 2018. I have 262 products, have had 3 sales, and add new products/designs almost daily. I promote via a Facebook business page and my personal page. I even boosted a Facebook post. I rose to 4 then 5 and am back to 4. Two products each have 7 views, and it goes down from there. I have multiple categories and collections and a good variety of products. I'm not sure what else to do. My profile is complete, and my store is 95% complete, the remaining 5% is to upload 10 media items...no idea what I could do there. I know it's not a get rich scheme and it is really only getting started compared to many I've seen post here. Can someone tell me if I'm on the right track? I did have modest hopes for this venture. Thanks!
Posted: Monday, January 14, 2019 11:27:02 AM
all good info and I would only add one more "or"

or you could ignore it and just keep Zazzling like many of us have decided to do since we can't make any sense out of it anyway.

and I am not trying to sound cavalier about it, just that I have come to realize it is not worth the stress it can cause a designer when they worry about it, try to fix it and it goes down even more despite their best effort to do what Z recommends.

Posted: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 8:39:26 AM
Thanks for the responses! If I were selling more I wouldn't be concerned, but 3 sales since Nov.1 I know it takes a while to get going but the reality is that people can't buy what they can't see. How do most designers promote, and are most products found by random searches rather than going to a specific store?
Posted: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 9:21:58 AM
Rosie B. Designs wrote:
Thanks for the responses! If I were selling more I wouldn't be concerned, but 3 sales since Nov.1 I know it takes a while to get going but the reality is that people can't buy what they can't see. How do most designers promote, and are most products found by random searches rather than going to a specific store?

Promotion strategies are a "your mileage may vary", not a "one size fits all." It really depends on your art, your target clientele - and whether you already have an established clientele or are trying to find one, your skill set in promoting, what you feel comfortable doing, how much time you can devote to it, etc.

Most products are probably found through searches. I suspect very few by comparison are coming from people engaging with our Zazzle stores; the latter is perhaps seen more by those who bring an already established clientele to Zazzle, and already have their promotional network in place, with Zazzle just being an expansion of it.

Some people have web sites. But putting up a web site isn't an automatic guarantee that it will rank well with search engines and drive traffic to your Zazzle store. Conventional wisdom is that a web site needs to add value, be more than simply links back to your store. I had one, but it was a lot of work to maintain, and I think it provided little of value to people visiting it in the end, so I took it down.

Some people have blogs. Successful ones probably have more to say than "here's what I've been working on." Mine used to delve into my artistic process, and occasionally link out to artists who weren't in the print-on-demand field, or art-related articles on other sites. Since I kept my domain name when I took down my web site, it now serves to direct people to my blog - which I haven't updated since last Spring, because 'life' happens and the last nine months have been 'challenging'.

Many people promote on various social media, but much like having a web site, there's more to it than just posting links back to your store. It helps if you're a sociable person who enjoys interacting with people, or so I'm told. I used to have Pinterest and Twitter accounts, but I found their value negligible. Pinterest never made any sense to me (make me log in to look at stuff? No thanks!) Twitter was especially ridiculous - it doesn't help to have all my followers be other artists who were trying to sell me their own stuff. But other people swear by Pinterest, Twitter, both, or somewhere else (Instagram, Tumblr, etc.) Some artists find Facebook useless, but it's the only place I can point to as definitely referring sales. Social media bottom line - it's a huge case of "your mileage may vary".

Some people promote their work out in the "real world" at fairs and festivals, galleries, etc. I sold a piece at a gallery last year, but my gallery experience is more about the experience itself. Galleries vary widely in what they're about. I happened to find one that is very community focused, with their basement art gallery being secondary to what they do. This gallery tries to showcase a different genre or theme every month, so it's not a case of having a show that is 'yours'; instead it's participating in a show with other artists around something you have in common. Getting to interact with them on opening night was really uplifting. We each had our moment to talk about our art. There was a talk show from the gallery that was webcast, and singers, spoken word artists, etc. giving performances throughout the night. Probably very different from what many people picture when they think of a gallery.

Some people can only engage with products they can see/feel. Especially those of us who remember the world before the web/internet. So there's something to be said for having products you can show others to generate interest - but it's not a cheap proposition. I'm personally not in this just for the money; I don't necessarily need an income from Zazzling, so for me, selling something has a reward that isn't solely monetary.
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