Watermark
Posted: Wednesday, December 05, 2018 1:26:45 PM
Why do some of my uploaded images have a zazzle watermark on them and others don’t? It seems that such a watermark would be a pretty good deterrent to someone strealing artwork. I would like to put them on all my artwork.
Posted: Wednesday, December 05, 2018 3:47:13 PM
Hi Barbara! Would you be able to provide a few examples?
Posted: Wednesday, December 05, 2018 4:01:59 PM
I believe she's talking about My Images where some images are watermarked but not all. The ones with watermarks in my collection are those that are far wider than they are high. For instance, all the images I've uploaded as banners for my collections are watermarked. Squares and more "normal" oblongs aren't marked. It's an oddity I haven't been able to figure out.

Barbara, if you want your products watermarked, go to https://www.zazzle.com/your-store-name/settings/advanced and scroll down until you see under "Design Transfer" beneath which you'll see "Image watermark option: If digital security is a primary concern for you." Click on "Learn more..." where you'll be able to turn on watermarking.
Posted: Wednesday, December 05, 2018 5:41:50 PM
I didn't know that watermarks were a turn off or on option. Do most people use them or not and if so, would that stop someone from copying and then selling our designs? I see a benefit but I also see that perhaps the image that the customer sees would be slightly distorted and then they would pass on the product.
Posted: Wednesday, December 05, 2018 6:12:12 PM
natureinfocus wrote:
I didn't know that watermarks were a turn off or on option. Do most people use them or not and if so, would that stop someone from copying and then selling our designs? I see a benefit but I also see that perhaps the image that the customer sees would be slightly distorted and then they would pass on the product.


That is the main reason why many of us don't have them turned on because they are distracting to the buyer. I am not sure how much they help in preventing theft but to me personally I would rather not risk losing out on sales by having them.
Posted: Thursday, December 06, 2018 4:51:36 AM
Shelli Fitzpatrick wrote:
natureinfocus wrote:
I didn't know that watermarks were a turn off or on option. Do most people use them or not and if so, would that stop someone from copying and then selling our designs? I see a benefit but I also see that perhaps the image that the customer sees would be slightly distorted and then they would pass on the product.


That is the main reason why many of us don't have them turned on because they are distracting to the buyer. I am not sure how much they help in preventing theft but to me personally I would rather not risk losing out on sales by having them.


This + Promoting watermarked products also is almost useless because watermarks cover shared pictures all over making products hard to see. I do not promote watermarked products.
Posted: Thursday, December 06, 2018 6:23:43 AM
Given how hard we work to create art, to learn these selling platforms and that in my brief time selling online I’ve already been ripped off, I’m going to want to be able to watermark before I go to the trouble of learning zazzle. It’s way too easy to steal without one and as has been noted, pretty much nothing will be done about theft. Anti theft tags at stores are a bother but I accept them as necessary evils. Same with watermark.

Yes the more landscape type images seem to be the ones with watermarks.

I will screen shot the page showing my images with and without watermarks shortly.

Thanks all!
Posted: Thursday, December 06, 2018 10:27:53 AM
Barbara Beckford wrote:
Given how hard we work to create art, to learn these selling platforms and that in my brief time selling online I’ve already been ripped off, I’m going to want to be able to watermark before I go to the trouble of learning zazzle. It’s way too easy to steal without one and as has been noted, pretty much nothing will be done about theft. Anti theft tags at stores are a bother but I accept them as necessary evils. Same with watermark.

Yes the more landscape type images seem to be the ones with watermarks.

I will screen shot the page showing my images with and without watermarks shortly.

Thanks all!


It easy to steal images even when they have watermarks, the only sure way to prevent theft is to not post them online. If you make sure and keep your originals and add metadata (even though this can also be edited out) you can prove ownership if need be. Most of the blatant thieves are in other countries that do not honor our laws and unless you have lots of funds to pursue legal action you won't be able to stop it happening.

The good news is that most of the scraped and stolen images are super low resolutions with terrible print quality on anything larger than a phone case, so if you own the high res original your prints will be superior, sell more and better and you can easily prove copyright.

I don't mean to sound like a defeatist, just a realist. Image theft p's me off too but you can spend all your time tracking and fighting it and still not win or have time to create new work.
Posted: Thursday, December 06, 2018 12:17:39 PM
For every activity, there's risk, and what we're doing isn't immune from that risk. You might weigh the pros and cons of watermarks, the pro being, of course, that your design might not be stolen, and if it were, probably no one would buy it. The con is that it could also put a customer off from buying it here.

Maybe someone who's done lengthy testing with and without watermarks can weigh in here to state what conclusions they came to.

For myself, I've chosen to not use watermarks, knowing how they affect me when I'm shopping.
Posted: Friday, December 07, 2018 11:23:54 AM
Hi, please could you explain how to add metadata?? Many thanks!
Posted: Friday, December 07, 2018 11:41:51 AM
Myhorsegatsby wrote:
Hi, please could you explain how to add metadata?? Many thanks!

I assume that when someone mentions metadata, they're talking about the tags we can add when posting a product for sale.
Posted: Friday, December 07, 2018 11:48:43 AM
The images in your image basket will show watermarks when they are over 500 pixels tall or wide. I don't believe that you can turn this off.

Example:


500 pixels tall


525 pixels tall

Posted: Friday, December 07, 2018 12:14:21 PM
Myhorsegatsby wrote:
Hi, please could you explain how to add metadata?? Many thanks!


Hi, metadata is the information that is embedded into your photo files from your camera and computer.

To edit it you must open it on your computer by right clicking and choose "properties".

This will show you what data has been stored and which areas you can edit.
The date and time you took the photo or created the image file is there.

The camera type and settings or the image making software name will be there.

On the details tab you can add information such as title, subject, ratings, tags, comments, author, copyright... etc.

Try right clicking one of your photos on your computer and you will see what I am talking about.

hope this helps explain..
Posted: Friday, December 07, 2018 12:45:57 PM
Thanks for sharing the two examples with and without watermarks. I don't think that it would stop all customers from buying but certainly some. If the design were smaller and more detailed, the watermark would stop me just because I can't really see what it behind that little area and the watermark would make the image so busy.
Posted: Friday, December 07, 2018 1:13:21 PM
natureinfocus wrote:
Thanks for sharing the two examples with and without watermarks. I don't think that it would stop all customers from buying but certainly some. If the design were smaller and more detailed, the watermark would stop me just because I can't really see what it behind that little area and the watermark would make the image so busy.


I think those examples are from our stored image folders... probably the reason for those watermarks is to prevent scapers from getting large clean copies that can make large prints. If I remember right this is relatively new thing also. Seems like a couple years ago I never saw that.

Somebody correct me if I am wrong.
Posted: Saturday, December 08, 2018 10:24:52 PM
Thank you, Shelli, for the metadata info!
Posted: Sunday, December 09, 2018 12:09:06 PM
Thank you for the explanation, Jerry!
Posted: Sunday, December 09, 2018 1:34:51 PM
Myhorsegatsby wrote:
Thank you, Shelli, for the metadata info!


you're welcome!
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