How do you maintain your tags? Are you organized about it or haphazard?
Posted: Monday, August 19, 2019 5:29:40 AM
It's continually drummed into us how important our tags are.

As we get more experienced many of us realize that our earlier work could do with an update to the tags to improve our chances of a sale.
The question is, how do you go about it?

There's no page in our store backend that shows a list of our products with the tags showing. This means that we can't, at a glance, easily review them so we can zero in on those that could do with an update.
Instead, we have to laboriously click edit in the drop-down, look at the tags, decide they're either ok or that they need work.

It would be so much easier if the tags were actually on display under a product. That way we could quickly spot those that need work. The same goes for the descriptions.

I've got a plan - but before I reveal it, how do you do it quickly and efficiently?

Thanks for any feedback Roses
Posted: Monday, August 19, 2019 5:56:07 AM
Since the tags were moved to bottom of the page it has become a little more annoying but just don't use the back end but browse the front end and you have description and tags in view and use your keyboard not your mouse, so you can skip to the bottom of the page to see the keywords.

Since our tags are design based not product based, it is not a bad idea to manage them offline and if you want to deep dive into be a true hassler, not just manage existing design tags of designs from what the muse made us do, but hunt niches and do cross-tag-field designs, meaning to plan and schedule your design process with sites like "keywords everywhere" and whatever.

That is if one is into managing his store in this fashion.
Smile
Posted: Monday, August 19, 2019 6:49:40 AM
vivendulies wrote:
Since the tags were moved to bottom of the page it has become a little more annoying but just don't use the back end but browse the front end and you have description and tags in view and use your keyboard not your mouse, so you can skip to the bottom of the page to see the keywords.

Since our tags are design based not product based, it is not a bad idea to manage them offline and if you want to deep dive into be a true hassler, not just manage existing design tags of designs from what the muse made us do, but hunt niches and do cross-tag-field designs, meaning to plan and schedule your design process with sites like "keywords everywhere" and whatever.

That is if one is into managing his store in this fashion.
Smile

If I understand you right, the problem with that approach is you have to look at each product in turn. Seeing them in a grid, just like displayed in your store's backend, would be so much more efficient, don't you think? Of course, they'd have to show your tags as well so you'd see at a glance where work is needed.

I get what you mean about managing them off-line but I doubt that many people are so organized!
Laughing
Posted: Monday, August 19, 2019 8:59:12 AM
I tend to do it here and there, on low view products, or products that have the warning they will be hidden.
Posted: Monday, August 19, 2019 9:14:37 AM
HightonRidley wrote:
vivendulies wrote:
Since the tags were moved to bottom of the page it has become a little more annoying but just don't use the back end but browse the front end and you have description and tags in view and use your keyboard not your mouse, so you can skip to the bottom of the page to see the keywords.

Since our tags are design based not product based, it is not a bad idea to manage them offline and if you want to deep dive into be a true hassler, not just manage existing design tags of designs from what the muse made us do, but hunt niches and do cross-tag-field designs, meaning to plan and schedule your design process with sites like "keywords everywhere" and whatever.

That is if one is into managing his store in this fashion.
Smile

If I understand you right, the problem with that approach is you have to look at each product in turn. Seeing them in a grid, just like displayed in your store's backend, would be so much more efficient, don't you think? Of course, they'd have to show your tags as well so you'd see at a glance where work is needed.

I get what you mean about managing them off-line but I doubt that many people are so organized!
Laughing


The advantage not having them at a glance is, that you do some keyword research by opening the front end where you are presented with suggestion generated from you present key phrases and thereby just one click away from exploring those, which in most cases are designs that sold previously. So you see performer with your under performing design with product combo.

More efficiency has a lot of different faces. Seeing your tags in a cluster in your backend under the preview seems efficient, but is it, when it comes to optimization where many factors and research is involved.

I think the reverse order should be just a button away but then I have a bookmark for that so I don't really care for that either.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Posted: Monday, August 19, 2019 10:13:57 AM
artbyjocelyn wrote:
I tend to do it here and there, on low view products, or products that have the warning they will be hidden.


Same here.

It would be good to see them at a glance in the back end.
Posted: Monday, August 19, 2019 10:24:09 AM
I'll manage the whole Zazzle content in my own database with my own admin. Working right now on it. Very slow approach at beginning, but you'll appreciate it in the later game. In relation to tags I use tag grouping depending on design style and theme. With time it's basically a copy and paste with little modifications here and there. Tags are overrated anyway, when it comes to Google, they're more important to get found on Z's marketplace - after you manage to get listed.
Posted: Monday, August 19, 2019 12:38:29 PM
I do mine during routine maintenance like SEO optimization. I do not keep a data base but tag per product.

I am also testing different ways of tagging to see if one is more effective than another ie: short one words vs long tail phrases... so far the results suggest that long tail get more views.

One thing I am noticing is the more I list title and describe the easier tagging seems to get.

It is still not enjoyable though.

tagging per product helps me make sure to have more unique content than if I had a data base of pre made tags to pull from.

Posted: Monday, August 19, 2019 12:48:39 PM
I'm a Haphazard Hannah. When I come across a pathetic set of tags, I try to spruce them up, but if I come across too many instances, I go find something else to do. Even dusting the furniture suffices. I've an aversion to tedium.
Posted: Monday, August 19, 2019 3:19:20 PM
For each design I keep a dated text file for notes on the design. Contains pertinent data on design (colors, font, etc) and descriptions and tags with dates when product were listed and updated. I have no specific schedule to update earlier work. Started in 2009. Usually I see some hidden designs and check them out. Often that starts me on an update process for a specific design. I try to complete the update before going on to another design.
In 2012, I tried to make a list but it was a complete failure. I’m a Haphazard Hannah, like Colorwash. Would really be special to have some way to systematically review my work. Looking forward to your plan.
Posted: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 11:19:19 AM
vivendulies wrote:
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The advantage not having them at a glance is, that you do some keyword research by opening the front end where you are presented with suggestion generated from you present key phrases and thereby just one click away from exploring those, which in most cases are designs that sold previously. So you see performer with your under performing design with product combo.

More efficiency has a lot of different faces. Seeing your tags in a cluster in your backend under the preview seems efficient, but is it, when it comes to optimization where many factors and research is involved.

I think the reverse order should be just a button away but then I have a bookmark for that so I don't really care for that either.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I've tried to undestand and follow what you've said but I'm at a bit of a loss, so I hope you can help.

You say
Quote:
by opening the front end
do you mean my store's "public view"?

I really don't get what you mean by
Quote:
you are presented with suggestion generated from you present key phrases
Do you mean I should search my store? If that's not it then I'm lost...

Final question. You say
Quote:
So you see performer with your under performing design with product combo
What performer? What product combo?

Sorry if I'm being dense - maybe it's a difference in language use because I'm from the UK??

Any help appreciated Roses
Posted: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 2:03:55 PM
HightonRidley wrote:
vivendulies wrote:
:
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The advantage not having them at a glance is, that you do some keyword research by opening the front end where you are presented with suggestion generated from you present key phrases and thereby just one click away from exploring those, which in most cases are designs that sold previously. So you see performer with your under performing design with product combo.

More efficiency has a lot of different faces. Seeing your tags in a cluster in your backend under the preview seems efficient, but is it, when it comes to optimization where many factors and research is involved.

I think the reverse order should be just a button away but then I have a bookmark for that so I don't really care for that either.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I've tried to undestand and follow what you've said but I'm at a bit of a loss, so I hope you can help.

You say
Quote:
by opening the front end
do you mean my store's "public view"?

I really don't get what you mean by
Quote:
you are presented with suggestion generated from you present key phrases
Do you mean I should search my store? If that's not it then I'm lost...

Final question. You say
Quote:
So you see performer with your under performing design with product combo
What performer? What product combo?

Sorry if I'm being dense - maybe it's a difference in language use because I'm from the UK??

Any help appreciated Roses


Not a problem.

When you click in your product management on the product holding crtl you open the product detail page in a new tab, which aside from the edit link above the design title and description does not differ from the public view. So you get the row with collection if it is in a collection, followed by a row "this you might also like", which is based on existing tags.

Holding control and click any of the suggestions and you can inspect them in another tab and learn. Tags may or may not have anything to do with the sale that put them in the suggestion but it still is a good way to re evaluate ones own choices.

The product detail pages are a front end page (public view is not necessary). The edit link on your own products above title and description underneath the preview brings you back into the back end directly in the edit mode to alter title, description and tags.

When done you close the tabs and start with the next product and you can narrow the selection of products you want to overhaul by reverse sorting "last view date" or if yo want to tackle a word field by using search terms in the back end product overview. It is a search within your currently active store because you can only work on products in one store at a time.

Every product is a combo of design(s) and the product choice. I was a little overly precise here.

I assume you want to edit under performer. So the suggestion on the product detail page underneath the preview are likely better performer.

-Love-
Happy Editing
Posted: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 2:12:04 PM
vivendulies wrote:
HightonRidley wrote:
vivendulies wrote:
:
:
The advantage not having them at a glance is, that you do some keyword research by opening the front end where you are presented with suggestion generated from you present key phrases and thereby just one click away from exploring those, which in most cases are designs that sold previously. So you see performer with your under performing design with product combo.

More efficiency has a lot of different faces. Seeing your tags in a cluster in your backend under the preview seems efficient, but is it, when it comes to optimization where many factors and research is involved.

I think the reverse order should be just a button away but then I have a bookmark for that so I don't really care for that either.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I've tried to undestand and follow what you've said but I'm at a bit of a loss, so I hope you can help.

You say
Quote:
by opening the front end
do you mean my store's "public view"?

I really don't get what you mean by
Quote:
you are presented with suggestion generated from you present key phrases
Do you mean I should search my store? If that's not it then I'm lost...

Final question. You say
Quote:
So you see performer with your under performing design with product combo
What performer? What product combo?

Sorry if I'm being dense - maybe it's a difference in language use because I'm from the UK??

Any help appreciated Roses


Not a problem.

When you click in your product management on the product holding crtl you open the product detail page in a new tab, which aside from the edit link above the design title and description does not differ from the public view. So you get the row with collection if it is in a collection, followed by a row "this you might also like", which is based on existing tags.

Holding control and click any of the suggestions and you can inspect them in another tab and learn. Tags may or may not have anything to do with the sale that put them in the suggestion but it still is a good way to re evaluate ones own choices.

The product detail pages are a front end page (a with to public view is not necessary). The edit link on your own products above title and description underneath the preview brings you back in to the back end directly in the edit mode to alter title, description and tags.

When done you close the tabs and start with the next product and you can narrow the selection of products you want to overhaul by reverse sorting "last view date" or if yo want to tackle a word field by using search terms in the back end product overview. It is a search with in your currently active store because you can only work on products in one store at a time.

Every product is a combo of design(s) and the product choice. I was a little overly precise here.

I assume you want to edit under performer. So the suggestion on the product detail page underneath the preview are likely better performer.

-Love-
Happy Editing

Thank you so much - I fully understand now Roses Roses
Posted: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 2:14:11 PM
·▽·


Reverse sorting "last viewed date":

Code:

https://www.zazzle.com/store/{YOUR_STORENAME}/products?st=LastViewedDate&pg={NUMBER_OF_PAGE}&sd=asc


ST is sort criteria
SD is sort direction
PG is page number

So

products?st=lastViewedDate&pg=2&sd=asc

brings me to the first red marked under performer under the zazzle threat of getting hidden. Page 1 are products that sold at least once but haven't seen the light of a customer or my eye in 13 months or more.

-Love-
Happy Editing

Posted: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 3:06:47 PM
What I would like is if we could tag the images on upload instead of when making products. That would be one less thing to do when posting products for sale.
Posted: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 3:30:58 PM
waterart wrote:
What I would like is if we could tag the images on upload instead of when making products. That would be one less thing to do when posting products for sale.


That only works with image per product. I rarely have an image fitted for just one product. My image library consist of design modules.



This design consists of a PDF cactus, several SVG design elements to build a sombrero hat and a PNG face, a SVG grunge background element, a PNG gradient background element as well as shapes and lines directly from the designer tool. The cactus in a terracotta pot is the only new element and even the cactus is in my library broken down in SVG elements but here I used the PDF version. It is part of the cute cacti collection and the cactus is used with various pun.

So attaching the tags to the image quickly exceeds the tag limitations and depending on the role of the design element tags my also vary in significance, association, etc for the design itself / as a whole.

·△·

Posted: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 3:32:22 PM
vivendulies wrote:
·▽·


Reverse sorting "last viewed date":

Code:

https://www.zazzle.com/store/{YOUR_STORENAME}/products?st=LastViewedDate&pg={NUMBER_OF_PAGE}&sd=asc


ST is sort criteria
SD is sort direction
PG is page number

So

products?st=lastViewedDate&pg=2&sd=asc

brings me to the first red marked under performer under the zazzle threat of getting hidden. Page 1 are products that sold at least once but haven't seen the light of a customer or my eye in 13 months or more.

-Love-
Happy Editing


thank you! I just tired it and it worked, haved bookmarked this category !
Posted: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 3:33:41 PM
Colorwash wrote:
I'm a Haphazard Hannah. When I come across a pathetic set of tags, I try to spruce them up, but if I come across too many instances, I go find something else to do. Even dusting the furniture suffices. I've an aversion to tedium.

hehe I'm with you on that!
Posted: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 10:38:57 AM
haphazard. When I started I didn't know tags mattered it actually used to be optional if you wanted to add a tag or not. Now I just have difficulty using words to describe art and also don't want to be a spammy tagger so I normally only use a few words. I hate when I am trying to find things to promote and so many products are tagged with things that don't even describe them making it difficult for me to find other artists to promote with whatever design idea had popped into my head at the moment to promote.
Posted: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 1:09:57 PM
So good to hear how you all deal with maintaining your tags (or not, lol!) As I said in my opening post, I have a plan.

Members of the NiftyToolZ, Tips and Support Fb group will already know it but for everyone else, I've written a tutorial to show how you can easily spot poor ones, based on what you know now. Not only spot them but easily get to the product to put them right.

I've also included a section at the end based on Vivendulies' recommendation when you want to go even further.

(Thanks for your contribution here, Vivendulies Roses - I've credited you with a link to your store in the article)

You can read the tutorial here
Enjoy!
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Mark (hightonridley)
Posted: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 1:36:29 PM
HightonRidley wrote:


(Thanks for your contribution here, Vivendulies Roses - I've credited you with a link to your store in the article)





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