A Graphical Guide to Grouping - AKA "Where are my products?!" 2 pages: [1] 2
Posted: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:04:30 AM
For those of you wondering what all this "grouping" talk is about, and others of you who can't find their products, here's a visual guide on whats happening.

I made 49 Bo Obama products:

...But only 7 appeared in my shop. What gives?!

The reason? Most of them are now grouped together under my square pin button:

Clicking on the "43 products" link reveals the rest of my Bo products, yippee!! Grin

OK so now you're asking... WHY???

Well Zazzle have a HUGE wall with all sorts of data on how customers interact with our sites (trust me, I've seen it... it looks like the stock exchange!) They have found that most customers will only look through a couple of pages of the marketplace, before getting bored and wondering off. Even worse, when customers get into our stores they are more than likely to just plain abandon them and not look around at all. (Shoppers are fickle creatures.) Happy

The solution? To stack products with similar designs on top of each other and decrease the number of pages in our stores.

Now is it perfect? Well, no... but it also isn't finished yet. At the moment Zazzle are furiously testing and tweaking the way grouping works and how to help us all get the maximum number of sales. Remember, our sales are their sales too, so we're all in this together.

Let's all bare with them while they figure this out and make us all richer for it! Grin
Posted: Thursday, August 16, 2012 5:11:02 PM
Cartoonize My Pet wrote:
For those of you wondering what all this "grouping" talk is about, and others of you who can't find their products, here's a visual guide on whats happening.
Let's all bare with them while they figure this out and make us all richer for it! Grin

That... was one excellent and simplified visual description of what is taking place. I sincerely hope others take the time to read this carefully and understand that Zazzle has "customer interaction" stats that guide them in how customer are interacting with the website.

Until someone (other than Zazzle) has this kind of data to work with, who are we to suggest what they are doing is not right? Most certainly, Zazzle did not get where they are by merely guessing :-) Thank you for posting this... you are the queen of visual explanation :-)
Posted: Thursday, August 16, 2012 9:59:53 PM
Finally! An explanation that actually is an explanation! Thank you.
Posted: Friday, August 17, 2012 12:05:05 PM
I give this post a 5 Star rating. THANK YOU for explaining this visually and in simple to understand text.

Posted: Friday, August 17, 2012 3:01:24 PM
Love your visuals! Love Grin
Posted: Friday, August 17, 2012 6:32:41 PM
This tutorial is well done! I had asked for a guide quite a while ago and a link to this guide would have been great! Glad I stumbled upon it! It should have its own thread!! Well done!!Roses Roses Roses Smile
Posted: Monday, August 20, 2012 11:52:34 AM
Very nice! I only Zazzle figures out a way to show the whole 49 products together. Long run, it's going to be an improvement.

Love the visual about the stock exchange!
Posted: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 5:00:38 PM
Great visuals and post!
Posted: Sunday, August 26, 2012 1:58:53 PM
After having been gone for a while and going through that scare, this helped bring me to ease xD Thank you for this!
Posted: Monday, August 27, 2012 4:07:53 AM
Thanks! I did have it figured out after all, but, it's great to see it so plainly!

Does anyone know a way to create a product group on purpose that will all end up in a group together?

I know the image is a big part of it, but, since some of my images have more that one group for the same image, maybe I could get them all into the same group myself if I knew the other criteria.

(If there is already another thread with that in it. Just point me to it.)
Posted: Friday, September 7, 2012 1:49:03 PM
GReat explanation, I had seen this happening but did not know why. Thanks for the heads up

My only issue is that in my store, I group products under the image used so now when a buyer (?) searches for an image he cannot see all the products which utilise it.
Posted: Saturday, September 8, 2012 9:23:31 AM
Thank you for explaining this!!
Posted: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 7:18:18 PM
Thanks for this explanation. I would have liked to have seen this in a seller newsletter so I wouldn't have gotten concerned over my "missing" products when I saw the number drop.

As someone who has been keeping track of how I'm growing my stores by noting the total number of products by looking at "all products" and seeing the count there, how can I now easily see the total number of products I have for sale?


Posted: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:43:18 PM
liorahess wrote:
how can I now easily see the total number of products I have for sale?

The amount is now listed on your Product page inside of your account.
Posted: Saturday, September 29, 2012 1:00:58 AM
Thanks to whoever bumped this because I missed it the first time around. I've been slowly figuring this out on my own and have started grouping and listing differently hoping to fit in the new system more smoothly, but it really felt like guess work. This summarized it so well the picture in my head kind of "un-pixelized" and I could see the whole so much more clearly.

Awesome! Thanks!

Posted: Thursday, October 4, 2012 12:49:22 PM
This is the best concise, visual and complete description I've seen. This is great!! I knew about the grouping, but I had no idea how it was really working. I just kept on making stuff, but hoping that I'd figure it out. With your help, I did. Thanks! Smile
Posted: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 9:39:42 AM
LaraineRose wrote:

Hi, I'm just trying to figure all of this out after a very weak start last year .. then nothing until now.

Do these groupings replace the folders we had last year?
If so, I'm not sure how to move the items from the folders to the new stores. Would you please explain.

Thank you - I feel like I'm in a fog.

LaraineRose - the folders and grouping are not really related.

Example: You have a mug and a plate with the same image/text combination

The image has a bee on a rose
You place the mug under YOUR category "Bugs" and the plate under your category "Flowers".

When you open the "Bugs" category and see the mug it will probably (I haven't really zeroed in on what causes specific groupings, but I think I am rather close) show "see on 2 products" - when you click on this text, it will show the mug and the plate. Same when you find the plate under your "flowers" category.

I think this is a bonus!
Posted: Saturday, November 24, 2012 3:19:31 PM
Pro sellers and veteran zazzlers might hate this, because they are used to manually organizing their store, categorizing, creating folders for each design, etc.. but zazzle newsbies don't do this, and i guess zazzle just wanted to take care of those messy store.

They have all the usability data, so can't blame them for the changes Smile
Posted: Sunday, November 25, 2012 7:58:29 AM
Thank you for the great explanation.. and being stuck in the sections by design group.. how does one better organize their shops now? So that more product "choices" get seen right off the bat.. and from there going into see this on how ever many products- I don't want the front page of my shop to look like all I carry is say.. gift boxes.. and for the first time In this new shop I wrote about to begin this thread- I have used Quick create .. which I do not normally do.. Unfortunately I do not shop.. so I do not think like a shopper.. Any and all advice is greatly appreciated.. and this hands on tutorial is wonderful to "see" what we are doing.. but I need further explanation.. anyone care to help me understand further? TIA
Posted: Thursday, January 10, 2013 6:24:58 AM
Thanks, I was just wondering why my products weren't showing up!

Posted: Friday, February 15, 2013 1:26:25 PM

I'm so happy someone finally took the time to explain this simply. I still don't like it a ton but now I feel a lot more positive about it than the day it 'poof' appeared and I thought all my 300 items had gone missing.
Posted: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 7:09:18 AM
So glad to have found this thread, thankyou!

I catagorize all my art by subject, and by image. I am missing a lot of products when clicking "see this on xx items". When that was first put in there and all my product showed, my sales sky-rocketed. Now that it is not working correctly, sales have gone way down.

So, do I need to go thru and change all 500 + images, and thousands of products into groupings, or just be patient and know that things will all get caught up and corrected? Not sure what to do, just hoping for the best, and glad to have found this information.
Posted: Monday, April 29, 2013 8:06:47 AM
Great explaination, this was the conclusion I was coming to as wellIdea I have a lot of work to do with my categories though Happy
Posted: Friday, June 7, 2013 4:07:25 AM
This is a great explination. Do you have any idea how one makes a flash panel when only one product will show up?

I created four plates each slightly different and wanted to promote them using the flash panel but only one plate shows up.
Posted: Monday, July 1, 2013 3:52:15 PM
Great explanation. But now, since the big change, I don't see that on my store any more. Crying Is there something I'm not doing right since the update?
Posted: Thursday, July 4, 2013 4:10:44 AM
this was definitely helpful; thank you for posting!
Posted: Saturday, July 6, 2013 6:14:35 PM
Thanks for the help!Grin
Posted: Thursday, August 22, 2013 11:56:51 AM
Thank's for this explanation, well done Grin
Posted: Thursday, September 5, 2013 5:00:32 PM
Im soooo confused.. thats what I get for being away for a couple months lol. I made 4 watches last night and they are still not showing in my store. I also cant figure out how to get my store to show newest instead of most popular.
Posted: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 12:58:28 PM
Thanks for taking the time to respond. I'm even more confused now. So, how do we promote something that is not in the store? The "share button" is not on the products page--it is on the store front page. I spent 10 minutes hunting one of my items to pin last night. It was nowhere to be found. I finally did a tag search in my store and found it. I even knew what I was looking for. A shopper does not know it is there.

I guess this is a situation where faith is more important than logic. I'll shut up now and go back to playing with my pretty colors.

Also, I wish someone would take care of the annoying spammer!
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