Verschlimmbessert - Collection modifications not an improvement 2 pages: [1] 2
Posted: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 12:02:59 PM
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I'm really unhappy with the change in the collection.
  • That the design is in a collection is obvious. So we really don't need the ugly blue within the collection to indicate that the design is part of a collection. Senseless redundancy & and irritant since it is indicating an importance when it really and truly isn't!
  • Missing share function on the products itself - Why on earth do you reduce convenience, where it comes to spread the reach ...
  • Worst change of all: taking away the arrows to push the design to the end of the current page.

    VERSCHLIMMBESSERT
    (GER for making it worse in an attempt to improve)


  • Posted: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 12:29:52 PM
    okay, I don't mind the control button being there even though it would make more sense if it also said remove from collection... I can see how I might want to add an item to a second or third collection from right there.

    but why oh why did you take away the double arrows on the organizing page? that was the only saving grace that made organizing large collections less of an ordeal.

    PLEASE please please bring it back! I have no idea about the German saying... but here in Oklahoma we have one that makes a lot of sense.

    "if it ain't broke, don't fix it..."
    Posted: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 12:38:08 PM
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    Just to be clear, I mind the ugly blue, I don't mind the button itself.
    Posted: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 12:42:26 PM
    @James
    I meant that in the friendliest way possible Grin
    Posted: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 12:44:39 PM
    Ya'll must be discussing something in selective Beta as I see nothing different with my Collections today.
    Posted: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 12:48:03 PM
    Col's Creations wrote:
    Ya'll must be discussing something in selective Beta as I see nothing different with my Collections today.


    Well, then let's hope, that this feedback helps, that it won't be the new standard.

    Smile
    Posted: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 12:57:41 PM
    Shelli Fitzpatrick wrote:
    okay, I don't mind the control button being there even though it would make more sense if it also said remove from collection... I can see how I might want to add an item to a second or third collection from right there.


    You can remove from collection from there. Just open and uncheck the box for that collection. I just tried it.
    Posted: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 1:04:07 PM
    Gina ©gleem wrote:
    Shelli Fitzpatrick wrote:
    okay, I don't mind the control button being there even though it would make more sense if it also said remove from collection... I can see how I might want to add an item to a second or third collection from right there.


    You can remove from collection from there. Just open and uncheck the box for that collection. I just tried it.


    thanks Gina, I knew it worked that way , but I don't understand why inside the collection it doesn't say "remove from collection"
    Posted: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 1:10:11 PM
    Shelli Fitzpatrick wrote:
    Gina ©gleem wrote:
    Shelli Fitzpatrick wrote:
    okay, I don't mind the control button being there even though it would make more sense if it also said remove from collection... I can see how I might want to add an item to a second or third collection from right there.


    You can remove from collection from there. Just open and uncheck the box for that collection. I just tried it.


    thanks Gina, I knew it worked that way , but I don't understand why inside the collection it doesn't say "remove from collection"


    I don't know. I reckon maybe making it a 2-step process will help prevent someone from removing by accident *shrugs*
    Posted: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 1:27:58 PM
    Shelli Fitzpatrick wrote:
    Gina ©gleem wrote:
    Shelli Fitzpatrick wrote:
    okay, I don't mind the control button being there even though it would make more sense if it also said remove from collection... I can see how I might want to add an item to a second or third collection from right there.


    You can remove from collection from there. Just open and uncheck the box for that collection. I just tried it.


    thanks Gina, I knew it worked that way , but I don't understand why inside the collection it doesn't say "remove from collection"


    The button was there before the change, but white like the heart and I did use it in the past. All that changed to this button is the ugly color.



    The color blue comes from the product detail page, where the color blue indicates, that the product is part of a collection, whether the collection already shows or not.

    Within the collection is function of the color blue is redundant and all that is left is setting a focus and distracting ... indicating as already written above that there is some importance to the button, when it isn't.

    .
    Posted: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 2:10:14 PM
    Gina ©gleem wrote:
    Shelli Fitzpatrick wrote:
    Gina ©gleem wrote:
    Shelli Fitzpatrick wrote:
    okay, I don't mind the control button being there even though it would make more sense if it also said remove from collection... I can see how I might want to add an item to a second or third collection from right there.


    You can remove from collection from there. Just open and uncheck the box for that collection. I just tried it.


    thanks Gina, I knew it worked that way , but I don't understand why inside the collection it doesn't say "remove from collection"


    I don't know. I reckon maybe making it a 2-step process will help prevent someone from removing by accident *shrugs*


    possiblySmile
    Posted: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 3:00:28 PM
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    May main peeve got lost a little:

    The worst "Verschlimmbesserung" is:

    taking away the arrows to push the design to the end of the current page.

    For about 2 years my hands aren't what they used to be. The current inflammation in the knuckles is actually pretty painful, so click and drag something into position is more than just a nuisance. It is literally a pain for me.

    Sad
    Posted: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 4:19:15 PM
    vivendulies wrote:
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    May main peeve got lost a little:

    The worst "Verschlimmbesserung" is:

    taking away the arrows to push the design to the end of the current page.

    For about 2 years my hands aren't what they used to be. The current inflammation in the knuckles is actually pretty painful, so click and drag something into position is more than just a nuisance. It is literally a pain for me.

    Sad


    Yes, that is what matters most to me as well because I used that feature all the time since I have a lot of large collections.
    Posted: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 7:11:02 PM
    Oh wow, that's new! That literally wasn't there a few hours ago for me. It is... kinda ugly. A blurry blue icon. Sad
    Posted: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 9:30:40 PM
    Oh NO! PLEASE bring back the move a page down feature! It's the only thing that makes organizing collections bearable!
    Posted: Thursday, August 22, 2019 4:37:03 AM
    For me, the blue thing is currently noticeable, but I'll probably get used to it. By the way, we were never before able to delete a product from within its collection, were we? If we weren't, then I welcome it, blue, green, red, or otherwise.

    On the other hand, those double arrows for moving a product to first or last were a mini-boon.
    Posted: Thursday, August 22, 2019 4:43:00 AM
    Colorwash wrote:
    For me, the blue thing is currently noticeable, but I'll probably get used to it. By the way, we were never before able to delete a product from within its collection, were we? If we weren't, then I welcome it, blue, green, red, or otherwise.

    On the other hand, those double arrows for moving a product to first or last were a mini-boon.


    You were able to delete and add to another collection from within a collection before. The button was there before, just less ugly.
    Posted: Thursday, August 22, 2019 4:45:49 AM
    I guess it wasn't ugly enough for me to notice. LOL
    Posted: Thursday, August 22, 2019 4:59:06 AM
    This isn't just for products in collections. It also shows on items in my "Latest Products Created" and the main products tab of the public storefront. My gripe is the icons are there all the time, rather than just on mouseover. It clutters the images and detracts from the product itself. Things like collections and liking products are an extra frill, not the main event, so I don't like seeing the product image covered in icons.
    Posted: Thursday, August 22, 2019 5:26:05 AM
    never used the arrows before, so don't know what is missing, but taking away useful tools is never good. That said, I don't have any issues with the collection icon. The blue is the standard highlight and link color on Z's page, so highlighting it in that color is consistent with the page design. The symbol could be a tad narrower, tho, it's a bit too bold. You don't see these icons if you're not logged in, btw, unless you hover over the product.

    The collection link is pretty handy, IMO, especially for promoters or shoppers browsing for stuff. It's an easy way to add a product you like to one of your own collections, e.g. a favorites collection.

    Not sure if the like heart is really a good idea. It seems you need to be logged in for liking, so it's practically limited to fellow designers, promoters and maybe the one or other - registered - shopper. So even if you promote your products and your visitors come in to take a look and like some items, they can't set a like if not already registered and logged in. What's a bit unfair and can be a penalty for smaller and niche stores with a small promoter community.

    I like, that the current sale/discount is now shown under the prices, that's a good improvement. I still would've preferred the crossed over regular price with the red discounted price on the right, but at least, shoppers see discounted items at first glance, what may help with sales.

    Showing one single design image on hover has its drawbacks when it comes to designs with more than one image. On some ornaments of mine it shows as example not the design overlay itself, but the placeholder image. IMO, it would be better to depict an alternate mockup, e.g. the back view on two-sided items such as pillows, flat cards, paper sheets etc, or insitu views on blankets etc.

    Not bad at all, overall, with room for some little improvements.
    Posted: Thursday, August 22, 2019 5:41:47 AM
    PetsDreamlands wrote:
    never used the arrows before, so don't know what is missing, but taking away useful tools is never good. That said, I don't have any issues with the collection icon. The blue is the standard highlight and link color on Z's page, so highlighting it in that color is consistent with the page design. The symbol could be a tad narrower, tho, it's a bit too bold. You don't see these icons if you're not logged in, btw, unless you hover over the product.

    The collection link is pretty handy, IMO, especially for promoters or shoppers browsing for stuff. It's an easy way to add a product you like to one of your own collections, e.g. a favorites collection.

    Not sure if the like heart is really a good idea. It seems you need to be logged in for liking, so it's practically limited to fellow designers, promoters and maybe the one or other - registered - shopper. So even if you promote your products and your visitors come in to take a look and like some items, they can't set a like if not already registered and logged in. What's a bit unfair and can be a penalty for smaller and niche stores with a small promoter community.

    I like, that the current sale/discount is now shown under the prices, that's a good improvement. I still would've preferred the crossed over regular price with the red discounted price on the right, but at least, shoppers see discounted items at first glance, what may help with sales.

    Showing one single design image on hover has its drawbacks when it comes to designs with more than one image. On some ornaments of mine it shows as example not the design overlay itself, but the placeholder image. IMO, it would be better to depict an alternate mockup, e.g. the back view on two-sided items such as pillows, flat cards, paper sheets etc, or insitu views on blankets etc.

    Not bad at all, overall, with room for some little improvements.


    I don't mind consistency, but it can be achieved without the shadow and outside the preview or with a hover instead of smack ugly in the face.

    Though apparently the percentage that is not paying attention of hover states and changes when hovering over an image is apparent in this thread, since among us active forum poster quiet a few didn't know that the option was available all along and missed out on the functionality.

    It is still no reason to go for the current solution. There are better ways less ugly and distracting.

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    Posted: Thursday, August 22, 2019 6:09:31 AM
    vivendulies wrote:

    I don't mind consistency, but it can be achieved without the shadow and outside the preview or with a hover instead of smack ugly in the face.

    Though apparently the percentage that is not paying attention of hover states and changes when hovering over an image is apparent in this thread, since among us active forum poster quiet a few didn't know that the option was available all along and missed out on the functionality.

    It is still no reason to go for the current solution. There are better ways less ugly and distracting.

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    I agree it may be less bulky in appearance, I already mentioned it's a tad too bold. Yup, getting rid of the shadows is a good way.

    I didn't know about the changes, was just working on the very first real products and collections are an essential part of the whole thing, so I was wondering what changed when reading the post.

    When it comes to "reviewing" changes or new adds I like to take a complete look on the subject, before giving feedback, so I can point out in one single post what I think it's good and what less. That's why I brought up the other points, too. I know, I'm in the minority ;-)
    Posted: Thursday, August 22, 2019 6:15:20 AM
    1. I too find the icons on the images with the shading unattractive and distracting. On our current product pages, there is a band of social media share buttons and the old blue icon and heart. Why not just put a row like that under the picture but above the product title? That would be far less obtrusive and have greater utility for shoppers, promoter, and designers alike. And get rid of the shading. It doesn't work. Newfangled isn't necessarily better than tried and true.

    2. Also please bring back the forward/backward arrows inside the collections. Collections are hard to arrange and rearrange at best. And do consider adding new additions to the end of a collection. Or, better still giving us a choice: beginning or end.

    Picture in re: Point 1 added:

    Posted: Thursday, August 22, 2019 6:20:23 AM
    Saints_Aplenty wrote:
    Also please bring back the forward/backward arrows inside the collections. Collections are hard to arrange and rearrange at best. And do consider adding new additions to the end of a collection. Or, better still giving us a choice: beginning or end.


    Unless I've got a very specific order such as I have with calendar-style products, I prefer newest landing in the top position. So yes, a choice of beginning or end would be nice. However, if we have the double arrows, we can accomplish either move very quickly.
    Posted: Thursday, August 22, 2019 7:07:15 AM
    @Colorwash... I understand why some (most?) designers like that new additions to collections come first, but others here have requested them added last before. I know adding them at the top knocks my specific ordering of items out of whack! Smile And, my forward/backward arrows haven't worked since the last time collections were improved. Crying I'd welcome working ones back in lieu of items added at the end, but feel strongly that the choice of placement would be best. Grin
    Posted: Thursday, August 22, 2019 7:59:23 AM
    And therein lies Zazzle's dilemma: Please this set of designers or that one? Please us all, and give us back the double arrows. That work, of course. :-)
    Posted: Thursday, August 22, 2019 8:38:32 AM
    Thanks for all this feedback guys, I will pass this all along Roses
    Posted: Thursday, August 22, 2019 11:01:03 AM
    Ummm… I'm thinking there may be a bigger issue here. I spent some time reorganizing one of my collections last night, and I just went to look at it today, and it's all back in the same order it was before I reorganized it! What gives?
    Posted: Thursday, August 22, 2019 11:03:38 AM
    ZingerBug wrote:
    Ummm… I'm thinking there may be a bigger issue here. I spent some time reorganizing one of my collections last night, and I just went to look at it today, and it's all back in the same order it was before I reorganized it! What gives?


    That was already reported
    https://forum.zazzle.com/technical/problems_with_organizing_collections?m=1658388#1658388
    Posted: Thursday, August 22, 2019 11:06:52 AM
    The 'move to front' and 'move to back' buttons should return tonight.
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