Updated Afridrille / Espadrille help center article
Posted: Friday, August 09, 2019 2:23:28 PM
Hi Designers,

Thanks for all your observations and questions on how best to design on our Afridrille product. From your feedback we have updated our help article to address some of the unknown design constraints we have discovered since launching this exciting new shoe.

As we expand our capabilities to offer new types of manufacturing processes, we can run into new, unanticipated scenarios. Your help discovering these issues is part of what allows us to offer more custom products than any other customization site. Thank you for your patience while we worked on describing how best to design on them.

Please let us know your thoughts on the new language and images we use to discuss the constraints.

https://help.zazzle.com/hc/en-us/articles/360023290434

Happy Designing!

James C
Posted: Friday, August 09, 2019 3:33:33 PM
The visual examples are the most helpful. So many designs can be abstract, all over and non-directional yet be rejected because of (we now see) design elements that bunch up on one side. I think this really threw people. So it helps to see acceptable and non-acceptable designs.
Posted: Friday, August 09, 2019 3:48:31 PM
Thank you for the update, the visuals are helpful

They still don't really explain why wide striped patterns were some yes, some no, but it does help clear up the confusion on the abstracts.


I do want to add that I realize how hard you all worked on this and it is a super cool product that I also appreciate being able to design. I don't want you to think that because I am sometimes a squeaky wheel that I don't appreciate what you do and that you put up with me.








Posted: Friday, August 09, 2019 7:55:09 PM
Thank you for the visual examples! Those are really helpful.

And thank YOU all for your patience with all of us. We have lots of opinions, sometimes loud ones. Laughing It's great to be heard, so you're all appreciated!
Posted: Friday, August 09, 2019 8:03:25 PM
Would like to know whether you're done removing previously accepted designs, or if we should anticipate another culling.
Posted: Friday, August 09, 2019 9:41:01 PM
Fuzzy Felosarix wrote:
Would like to know whether you're done removing previously accepted designs, or if we should anticipate another culling.


I second this!

I would like to feel comfortable promoting them but I don't want to have to clean up any more dead links.
Posted: Saturday, August 10, 2019 6:14:53 AM
I find the do and don't pictures very helpful. Thank you!
Posted: Saturday, August 10, 2019 7:06:04 AM
Adding my thanks for the do and don't examples. I don't know about others here, but I very much rely on visual examples. It's easy to misinterpret the written form without a visual example demonstrating what's intended.
Posted: Saturday, August 10, 2019 8:45:37 AM
Fuzzy Felosarix wrote:
Adding my thanks for the do and don't examples. I don't know about others here, but I very much rely on visual examples. It's easy to misinterpret the written form without a visual example demonstrating what's intended.


ditto!

With the visual examples I understand why the ones rejected were rejected. So I am going to re make them and hopefully they will go through this time. I am a little nervous about this statement from the help page:

"Continued violation of these constraints may result in your access to the product being revoked."

Hopefully we will get a bit of leniency as we are on a learning curve as kinks get worked out and train ourselves to turn customization off. I certainly don't want content review to think I am blatantly sending items with designs just slapped on with out a care. I am trying to be mindful of the guidelines.
Posted: Saturday, August 10, 2019 9:21:02 AM
MelroseOriginals wrote:
"Continued violation of these constraints may result in your access to the product being revoked."

Hopefully we will get a bit of leniency as we are on a learning curve as kinks get worked out and train ourselves to turn customization off. I certainly don't want content review to think I am blatantly sending items with designs just slapped on with out a care. I am trying to be mindful of the guidelines.

I suspect it may be more than just honest error. For instance, there are Zazzle's "rules of engagement" for G-rated designs. I also imagine if someone consistently floods them with pictures as opposed to patterns, they'll get downright tired of it. I'm probably not thinking of all the possibilities, but simple periodic mistakes aren't punishable by death.
Posted: Saturday, August 10, 2019 9:52:37 AM
Colorwash wrote:
MelroseOriginals wrote:
"Continued violation of these constraints may result in your access to the product being revoked."

Hopefully we will get a bit of leniency as we are on a learning curve as kinks get worked out and train ourselves to turn customization off. I certainly don't want content review to think I am blatantly sending items with designs just slapped on with out a care. I am trying to be mindful of the guidelines.

I suspect it may be more than just honest error. For instance, there are Zazzle's "rules of engagement" for G-rated designs. I also imagine if someone consistently floods them with pictures as opposed to patterns, they'll get downright tired of it. I'm probably not thinking of all the possibilities, but simple periodic mistakes aren't punishable by death.


I flexed my creative muscle and have a few that do not fall into the new guidelines but are consistent with what was released at the time of what was already on the marketplace and my ratio of design based rejection is still excellent with ~6 rejections to 218 approvals and I consider one rejection still overzealous but since it was rejected twice I finally conceded.

Some of my more daring designs - daring even with the old more loose guidelines - are real fun and would have never happened with the new guidelines and they were approved (rightfully so, if you ask me).

The pending threat to be excluded, however, will caution me and while there is still an endless universe of design possibilities under the new guidelines, I look at them with a sad heart, because my more daring designs won't happen anymore. The following designs won't do as examples for going to the edge of the acceptable under the new guidelines, anymore, since they are clearly in the no no column.



So something so fun, so powerful and colorful as this


(approved)


is no longer on my menu.

*sigh*






Posted: Saturday, August 10, 2019 10:04:33 AM
MelroseOriginals wrote:
Fuzzy Felosarix wrote:
Adding my thanks for the do and don't examples. I don't know about others here, but I very much rely on visual examples. It's easy to misinterpret the written form without a visual example demonstrating what's intended.


ditto!

With the visual examples I understand why the ones rejected were rejected. So I am going to re make them and hopefully they will go through this time. I am a little nervous about this statement from the help page:

"Continued violation of these constraints may result in your access to the product being revoked."

Hopefully we will get a bit of leniency as we are on a learning curve as kinks get worked out and train ourselves to turn customization off. I certainly don't want content review to think I am blatantly sending items with designs just slapped on with out a care. I am trying to be mindful of the guidelines.


"Continued violation of these constraints may result in your access to the product being revoked."

This is worrying us all, I guess.
And with the clearer guidelines many of already approved (and as far as I'm concerned absolutely doable) ... I'm thinking of gradients ...


(approved)


will have us worry, so we rather don't use a gradient, simply because we don't want to risk to reach the quota, that is too much and has our privilege revoked.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Posted: Saturday, August 10, 2019 10:25:06 AM
I'm still not overly worried about being thrown out, though I do wish we could design with a little more flair.
Posted: Saturday, August 10, 2019 10:25:13 AM
Colorwash wrote:
MelroseOriginals wrote:
"Continued violation of these constraints may result in your access to the product being revoked."

Hopefully we will get a bit of leniency as we are on a learning curve as kinks get worked out and train ourselves to turn customization off. I certainly don't want content review to think I am blatantly sending items with designs just slapped on with out a care. I am trying to be mindful of the guidelines.

I suspect it may be more than just honest error. For instance, there are Zazzle's "rules of engagement" for G-rated designs. I also imagine if someone consistently floods them with pictures as opposed to patterns, they'll get downright tired of it. I'm probably not thinking of all the possibilities, but simple periodic mistakes aren't punishable by death.


Laughing I wasn't thinking of anything so drastic and it's not keeping me up at night or anything, but my ratio is 4 approved to 2 rejected so not that great. I want to make it work, but some of what I have to pattern -that will most likely get approved-makes some kind of boring designs IMO. I will probably try the boring ones too and see if there is any interest in them.
Posted: Saturday, August 10, 2019 10:34:30 AM
Colorwash wrote:
I'm still not overly worried about being thrown out, though I do wish we could design with a little more flair.


You might not bite your nails and stay awake at night worrying, whether you will be allowed to design espadrilles in the morning, but your statement clearly indicates, that your will abide by the rules and not try to just go to the edge and a little beyond from time to time.

Happy

Posted: Saturday, August 10, 2019 10:59:33 AM
I would love to be able to go wild with these the way I can with the high top sneakers but I do understand that none of us want returns on these shoes or for those moms and kids in Kenya to suffer any hardship over that kind of thing, so it is important to get it right with this product.
Posted: Saturday, August 10, 2019 11:05:54 AM
Shelli Fitzpatrick wrote:
I would love to be able to go wild with these the way I can with the high top sneakers but I do understand that none of us want returns on these shoes or for those moms and kids in Kenya to suffer any hardship over that kind of thing, so it is important to get it right with this product.


That is very true. It is a great cause and I hope that the product really takes off. I actually trust the outcome of the shoes far more due to the fact that they are hand made than I do machine cutting and that a real person will take design into consideration, but I get that some designs can make it harder to get a nice look without looking like someone bought 2 different shoes.
Posted: Saturday, August 10, 2019 11:53:37 AM
Thank you for the update. I'm still having trouble understanding the problem with stripe patterns in repeat, but I will read the new information again. In the meantime I will add other pattern styles. Happy to be designing for these shoes since it's a great cause! Love
Posted: Saturday, August 10, 2019 12:03:09 PM
vivendulies wrote:
Colorwash wrote:
I'm still not overly worried about being thrown out, though I do wish we could design with a little more flair.


You might not bite your nails and stay awake at night worrying, whether you will be allowed to design espadrilles in the morning, but your statement clearly indicates, that your will abide by the rules and not try to just go to the edge and a little beyond from time to time.

What's actually bothering me is akin to what you're talking about, though for me, it's looking at all of what's already been designed, including my own designs, and seeing such a sameness that I doubt anyone will stand out. For that reason, I've already moved on and will return to the shoes only when the mood strikes me.
Posted: Saturday, August 10, 2019 10:15:47 PM
Thanks, Zazzle, for adding some visuals to help us understand what will work and what won't. I still don't understand why many people had their designs rejected when other designs that were nearly the same went through. I also don't understand why so many designs were approved and then subsequently rejected after being put into the MP. I feel for those designers who had already done a lot of promoting and now have ended up with broken links.
Posted: Saturday, August 10, 2019 10:48:58 PM
This is helpful. I have a better idea now.
Posted: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 8:53:26 AM
I've applied to design over a week ago, still haven't heard anything back from Zazzle.
Posted: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 11:31:38 AM
Cheries_Art wrote:
I've applied to design over a week ago, still haven't heard anything back from Zazzle.


Hi there Cheries_Art. In the help center article we addressed the fact you will not be getting a response from us and that you will need to check the URL for the product to see if you have access to it. I checked your account and you should have access.

for reference from the help article:

wrote:
Please allow at least five business days to be approved. Unfortunately, due to the volume of requests, we will not be able to respond directly to every application. Therefore, we recommend you check back in, using the product link to determine if your application to access the Afridrilles Create Your Own Shoe product page has been approved.
Posted: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 4:26:33 PM
James C wrote:
Cheries_Art wrote:
I've applied to design over a week ago, still haven't heard anything back from Zazzle.


Hi there Cheries_Art. In the help center article we addressed the fact you will not be getting a response from us and that you will need to check the URL for the product to see if you have access to it. I checked your account and you should have access.

for reference from the help article:

wrote:
Please allow at least five business days to be approved. Unfortunately, due to the volume of requests, we will not be able to respond directly to every application. Therefore, we recommend you check back in, using the product link to determine if your application to access the Afridrilles Create Your Own Shoe product page has been approved.


THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!
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