Thanks for the hidden products!
Posted: Saturday, December 10, 2016 4:42:15 AM
I just want to say thank you for setting our products that haven't been viewed for a long time to hidden.
I think it's a great way to get rid of all the clutter, and making our collection of products better. I love it that they haven't been deleted but just set to hidden, that way we can go through them and pick out the ones that we still think has potential and make some changes to the text if neccesary.
Great option, good choice to make the MP and our stores better this way Roses
Posted: Sunday, December 11, 2016 5:40:04 AM
To be able to hide products is a great and useful option and feature! I hide items myself. Its a way to manage, organize and prioritize. Hidden items can be made public again, deleted or remain hidden, depending on reason(s) for making the items hidden (out of stock, remake, no views or sales etc). Smile
Posted: Sunday, December 11, 2016 9:10:47 AM
Funcards wrote:
I just want to say thank you for setting our products that haven't been viewed for a long time to hidden.
I think it's a great way to get rid of all the clutter, and making our collection of products better. I love it that they haven't been deleted but just set to hidden, that way we can go through them and pick out the ones that we still think has potential and make some changes to the text if neccesary.
Great option, good choice to make the MP and our stores better this way Roses


Agree! I love using this feature to freshen up my store. I either delete them, remake them or update the tags and promote. Grin

Posted: Sunday, December 11, 2016 9:28:45 AM
At very the least what I would like is a notification if any of my products have been hidden so I can act on it quickly. Perhaps an email or something on the backend that would show stats on all my shops; number of hidden, number of direct only, etc. with links for each one. As it is, having to go through each of my shops every couple of weeks to see if anything is no longer visible is just a bit of a hassle.
Posted: Sunday, December 11, 2016 2:58:34 PM
Dementees wrote:
At very the least what I would like is a notification if any of my products have been hidden so I can act on it quickly. Perhaps an email or something on the backend that would show stats on all my shops; number of hidden, number of direct only, etc. with links for each one. As it is, having to go through each of my shops every couple of weeks to see if anything is no longer visible is just a bit of a hassle.


I agree with you.
What is the problem with leaving them publi? Many dont have time to go thru their stores to check this. I sold designs/products that I added about 6 or 7 years ago. I found many that were hidden. If I wanted to hide a product for some reason, it should my choice.
Hidden products does'nt make sense to me.
Sales only occur when they can be found.
Posted: Sunday, December 11, 2016 2:59:33 PM
As shocking as it is to see them get hidden, the good news is they are not "lost". You can always set them to visible again or even to Direct only. I do like the feature because it is an easy way to see which of my designs are not doing well and I can decide to revamp them or ditch them. If you get in the habit of checking your hidden products on a regular basis (say once or twice a week) then it isn't so much of a shock.
Posted: Sunday, December 11, 2016 3:54:14 PM
Shellibean_on_zazzle wrote:
As shocking as it is to see them get hidden, the good news is they are not "lost". You can always set them to visible again or even to Direct only. I do like the feature because it is an easy way to see which of my designs are not doing well and I can decide to revamp them or ditch them. If you get in the habit of checking your hidden products on a regular basis (say once or twice a week) then it isn't so much of a shock.


It is not the end of the world however, careful before deleting in bulk, as I have had two instances where I clicked all, having the minimum per view showing and had like 5 more pages and it deleted them all, all pages when I selected all thinking it was just the 1st page.

Also have found products hidden that had sold, and or had recent views even ones just made.

But it is a wise decision but for people who have used quick create however sure is a nightmare. Saved me a lot of work and got my rear in gear to clean up, redo, and see things I am glad now I can get rid of.
Posted: Monday, December 12, 2016 12:15:34 PM
I'm glad to hear a lot of you appreciate the hidden factor we're doing with your products. Like you said, it's not deleted, and we definitely want you guys to review them!

Dementees wrote:
At very the least what I would like is a notification if any of my products have been hidden so I can act on it quickly. Perhaps an email or something on the backend that would show stats on all my shops; number of hidden, number of direct only, etc. with links for each one. As it is, having to go through each of my shops every couple of weeks to see if anything is no longer visible is just a bit of a hassle.


Thanks for the suggestion, Dementees. I'd be happy to forward that along!
Posted: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 2:03:38 AM
I couldn't agree more! When you have multiple stores here and have been active for 7 years it is easy to reach the 100K product limit so Zazzle sets your products to hidden. Totally random!

In the summer I put a lot of stuff on hidden myself and made my Christmas collections visible. when I checked a week later, Christmas was hidden again and it still is today for the most part. Zazzle doesn't want to make any sales?

A few weeks ago I went through all stores and counted the visible products: not even close to 100K! In the meantime the come with new products so what should we do? Create new stuff and delete old?
It's exactly what you set: products sell random. Out of the blue you can have a few sales from products you already had forgotten.

If Zazzle put some effort in redesigning their site it should be mucht easier. For example, there are greeting cards, postcards and invitation. They all come in multiple styles. To make all available to the public you have to create at least 3 products, while it would be so easy to make a design available for these all at once and let the customer pick whether he or she wants a greeting card or any invitation style. The same goes for christmas ornaments: ceramic ones and acrylic ones deserves two products, while once a design is created on a shirt is available on 180+ styles (exept the print all over). That is one thing I like about Redbubble: one design and create multiple products all at once.

After all, the main reason we are here is to make some bucks out of our creativity and not because we have so much spare time that we don't know what to do with it. It's time Zazzle starts to listen to the artists and implement some changes we suggest. It's obvious that if we make more sales, Zazzle makes more out of it too. Deleting stuff with sales potential doesn't look right to me. They should also look at the sales history of any artist before they make the decision to set stuff to hidden. I still see a lot of poorly created stuff around, probabely created with the Quick Create option but that stuff still wanders around the site!
Posted: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 4:12:22 AM

I could be wrong, but if a design and product are selling well over at the other place where I have over 3,000+ designs (uploaded over 17K to cover the sizes needed), I believe the reason I don't think anyone has clicked on the design over here is because the algorithm isn't rotating designs and products adequately - at least for me.

The other place must have a very effective method of doing that because I sell a vast array of products, many of them high end like blankets and throws. This December they are up over 90% (sold 3000+ items last month) over last year! Over here I'm amazed at how many small items I sell, as if they are the main ones being shown.

This year at Zazzle (which has steadily been going down over the past few years, since 2009 when I joined), I am at about 65% less. I don't believe it has anything to do with the quality of design if it sells well "over there".

So now it makes no sense for me to post more designs over here with no confidence that they would even show up. I'm just grateful that "over there" they consistently, upon searching, show most of my designs on the first and second pages that come up. Knowing they will be fair and not arbitrarily hide designs, especially the designs of the rare dog breeds, gives me motivation and hope - "over there". Sadly, not so here.

It is extremely rare that I post to these forums and I'm sorry it has to be out of frustration. Perhaps it will change. I hope so.
Posted: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 11:35:24 AM
Hi guys. We've deleted a posts within this thread because it either wasn't a constructive, helpful comment to other designers, or it had gotten off track from the original post or because of its negative tone. Again, this forum exists to let you ask and answer questions of each other, to ask questions of Zazzle and to build community: https://forum.zazzle.com/news/fostering_positivity
Posted: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 11:58:07 AM
Christine wrote:
Hi guys. We've deleted a posts within this thread because it either wasn't a constructive, helpful comment to other designers, or it had gotten off track from the original post or because of its negative tone. Again, this forum exists to let you ask and answer questions of each other, to ask questions of Zazzle and to build community: https://forum.zazzle.com/news/fostering_positivity


Hi Christine, I understand that you want to foster positivity but if someone has a valid complaint and the thread answers that complaint why should the negative comments be removed when they could possibly be helpful to the next person who has the same negative complaint. Imho, in this instance I think the complete thread could have been helpful to someone else with the same sentiments as the one who had a negative comment. I am not trying to be a troublemaker and I understand when threads become hateful and mean they should be removed but I didn't see that being the case in this circumstance.

edit: an interesting article I read once said that businesses that only post glowing reviews have less credibility than businesses that post all the negative reviews alongside the positive ones. I think that can apply to forums as well. If you don't want any negative feedback why have the little angry emoji?
Posted: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 12:54:41 PM
I appreciate the feedback. I'm fine with negative comments that disagree. It's how we learn and it can create great discussions. However, there is a fine line that we have to follow. If you have something you're unhappy with, then list the reasons why and how this can be better, how it affects you and others, etc. I also believe this thread could be helpful for others, which is why I continued to leave it open. But should Finbarr and I see anything that will derail that, then we will remove.
Posted: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 1:27:16 PM
Christine wrote:
I appreciate the feedback. I'm fine with negative comments that disagree. It's how we learn and it can create great discussions. However, there is a fine line that we have to follow. If you have something you're unhappy with, then list the reasons why and how this can be better, how it affects you and others, etc. I also believe this thread could be helpful for others, which is why I continued to leave it open. But should Finbarr and I see anything that will derail that, then we will remove.


Ok Thanks for the reply, I am not unhappy, you can find me above in thread among the happy ones. I just didn't see the negative comment the same way you did I guess. You gotta do what you gotta do.
Posted: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 3:38:26 PM
I am glad Zazzle finally changed the timeframe from 6 months to 15 months since that short window really showed how little they understood about how long it can sometimes take for a design to be noticed and start selling. The issue has probably less to do with tagging but rather the competition and the time it often takes to be seen through all the clutter in the marketplace. I remember I had a design at Cafepress sit for years with no action until it suddenly became topical and they featured it on their "View" page, turning it into one of my biggest sellers to date.

One thing I've suggested over the years that would give everyone a fair shake before their designs are removed would be a "shuffle" or "randomize" feature in the marketplace similar to what they have at Society 6. I just think it's a really cool feature, gets people involved, and gives all the designs that are lost in marketplace purgatory a chance to be seen before they get hidden. I think something like that would be a much fairer and more accurate way to evaluate whether or not a design is worth keeping, for both Zazzle and the designer, because if a design is viewed repeatedly and still not purchased, then it might definitely be a dud. But, it has to be seen first.
Posted: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 4:33:21 PM
Dementees wrote:
One thing I've suggested over the years that would give everyone a fair shake before their designs are removed would be a "shuffle" or "randomize" feature in the marketplace similar to what they have at Society 6. I just think it's a really cool feature, gets people involved, and gives all the designs that are lost in marketplace purgatory a chance to be seen before they get hidden. I think something like that would be a much fairer and more accurate way to evaluate whether or not a design is worth keeping, for both Zazzle and the designer, because if a design is viewed repeatedly and still not purchased, then it might definitely be a dud. But, it has to be seen first.

Now that's an idea I--and I bet a lot of other people--would love seeing implemented.
Posted: Thursday, December 15, 2016 7:21:05 AM
Dementees wrote:
One thing I've suggested over the years that would give everyone a fair shake before their designs are removed would be a "shuffle" or "randomize" feature in the marketplace


Really interesting idea, Demntees, more than happy to forward that request along. Thanks!
Posted: Thursday, December 15, 2016 10:33:32 AM
Finbarr wrote:
Dementees wrote:
One thing I've suggested over the years that would give everyone a fair shake before their designs are removed would be a "shuffle" or "randomize" feature in the marketplace


Really interesting idea, Demntees, more than happy to forward that request along. Thanks!

Oh good, I've been suggesting that for years and this the first time anyone's even acknowledged it. So, by next Friday you think? lol.
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