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Posted: Thursday, December 19, 2019 2:52:06 AM
I just now played with it, and it appears that if we add our own background, even if it's a plain color image and we lock it, it can't be replaced. It will have to be the way forward. Unfortunately. No longer do we dare use the eyedropper to choose the perfect color. I tried a lot of the different backgrounds, and they all utterly destroyed the design.

However, the customer can remove the background they've added, but will they?
Posted: Thursday, December 19, 2019 3:05:10 AM
The first thing that springs to mind is

Hello? Zazzle, I thought you said too much choice is a bad thing...


Eta: My next thought is, boy am I glad I hid a lot of my stuff and am remaking it now with customization off.

Even though you really should still give us opt outs!





Posted: Thursday, December 19, 2019 3:47:35 AM
Sigh. I make my own coordinating patterns from elements in my main images. In the past, I've given the customer the choice between the pattern(s) and coordinating solid colors for backgrounds. Now ... ? Not happy. (And, tell me the timing wasn't deliberate.)
Posted: Thursday, December 19, 2019 3:52:49 AM
🌼Shelli Fitzpatrick wrote:
boy am I glad I hid a lot of my stuff and am remaking it now with customization off.


Ditto That! Nothing in my store allows for customization anymore!
Posted: Thursday, December 19, 2019 3:54:39 AM
Funcards wrote:
Colorwash wrote:
I just now played with it, and it appears that if we add our own background, even if

That's a good tip. I tried it, but I don't see where we can lock our background image?

Click the lock to the left of the background's name in layers.

In the meantime, I was thinking that designers who use photos that cover the entire surface will be safe. Nope, they won't be. I tested it on a fellow designer's product where a full photo was used. A background can still be chosen, and since it won't show behind the photo, the customer has no reason to delete it. The designer will give up part of her royalty because someone else's background, albeit hidden, will still be there.

I know what I'll be doing over the next couple weeks.
Posted: Thursday, December 19, 2019 5:38:45 AM
Zazzle still hasn’t mentioned how this will be reported in our royalty history for our records so we will know when it happens and what secondary content was added and how much of a carve out it was.




Posted: Thursday, December 19, 2019 6:03:28 AM
I was so sure backgrounds and other doodads were being planned for the Create tool and it wouldn't affect us. I was awfully wrong.

Here's one of the underlying problems: Quite a number of the designers here are very good to excellent artists, people who are proud of the things they create. Compare this in your mind with a writer. Does he or she lose part of their royalty to the line editor at the publisher, and then another part to the cover artist? No. The publisher pays for those things. How about the composer? If a piece of music is arranged for orchestra and thus changed here and there, does the composer pay for those changes? Is artwork any different?

If a customer wants to destroy a carefully rendered design, that's their choice, and we shouldn't have to pay for that choice.

Like I said, I have work ahead of me over the next few weeks, forced as I am to remake any number of products. There's also the trickle-down effect that will, once again, happen to affiliates because, as designers start realizing they'll be paying for the work of others they haven't commissioned, they will also be rethinking their products and methods.
Posted: Thursday, December 19, 2019 6:10:48 AM
@zazzle - Is adding from your new background section a 1.96% royalty share or a 25% royalty share?

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I don't like how easy it is for customers that liked my design enough to enter the design tool, to be pulled away to another designer through the little "i" (info) icon on each image. It almost feels like I'm "advocating" or "supporting" them... reality is I have no choice if I allow customization... To bad the customer doesn't know I loose if they choose to add one of these backgrounds...

But at least now we can see who they all are...
Posted: Thursday, December 19, 2019 6:22:59 AM
Colorwash wrote:
I was so sure backgrounds and other doodads were being planned for the Create tool and it wouldn't affect us. I was awfully wrong.

Here's one of the underlying problems: Quite a number of the designers here are very good to excellent artists, people who are proud of the things they create. Compare this in your mind with a writer. Does he or she lose part of their royalty to the line editor at the publisher, and then another part to the cover artist? No. The publisher pays for those things. How about the composer? If a piece of music is arranged for orchestra and thus changed here and there, does the composer pay for those changes? Is artwork any different?

If a customer wants to destroy a carefully rendered design, that's their choice, and we shouldn't have to pay for that choice.

Like I said, I have work ahead of me over the next few weeks, forced as I am to remake any number of products. There's also the trickle-down effect that will, once again, happen to affiliates because, as designers start realizing they'll be paying for the work of others they haven't commissioned, they will also be rethinking their products and methods.

I felt the same way. I thought they were going to be a completely separate thing and not right in our main design tool. Super disappointed right now. I’m thinking that means all of the elements and text will land there eventually, so, though there is no crossover with marketplace items and create, they are basically merging the tools in this way.
Posted: Thursday, December 19, 2019 6:46:26 AM
Of course they do that right before they lock the forums for the holidays. Zazzle is really creating some hard feelings these days.
Posted: Thursday, December 19, 2019 7:35:05 AM
randysgrandma wrote:
Of course they do that right before they lock the forums for the holidays. Zazzle is really creating some hard feelings these days.


+1

Actually my hard feeling haven't gone away.

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Posted: Thursday, December 19, 2019 7:38:38 AM
No doubt whatsoever that timing isn't by accident.

Secondary launched and yet STILL we have no answer to the question HOW IS THE SHARED ROYALTY CALCULATED asked on NOVEMBER 8.

We are admonished for not being positive, but these circumstances don't make that easy. I'm not going to be sorry for being here to make money. When I do the work on the Primary Product, SEO it, promote, and get customers here, I don't expect to "share" my Royalty, and especially not to some of what looks like patterns thrown together on a cell app.

Boy, the holidays at Zazzle sure ain't what I was looking forward to this year.
Posted: Thursday, December 19, 2019 7:51:48 AM
@ZAZZLE - Is there a procedure in place to confirm that Secondary Content is VISIBLE ON THE FINAL PRINTED PRODUCT in order for our Royalty reduction to occur?

Posted: Thursday, December 19, 2019 8:43:54 AM
RoyK_is_a_She wrote:
@ZAZZLE - Is there a procedure in place to confirm that Secondary Content is VISIBLE ON THE FINAL PRINTED PRODUCT in order for our Royalty reduction to occur?



I sure do not want to pay for invisible things... this will make gaming the system way too easy for the secondary providers.


Adding: I want to see what I am paying for.

Or better yet I don't want to pay for it. I want Zazzle to make the customer pay for it. How hard is that?


These questions need to be answered!

They needed to be answered right from the beginning but they have been ignored all this time.

We have to be able to keep records. Already our payment history is hard to keep track of with the bare bones information we have to work with.

You should have just given us the opt out and you still should.

Posted: Thursday, December 19, 2019 10:27:50 AM
It's gone. I checked a variety of my products, and those backgrounds are suddenly not showing up anymore.

Was it a mistake? Did they change their minds? Was it a quick-and-dirty beta test? Whatever it was, I hope it remains gone.

EDIT: I take that back. I forgot to click the background button. Sad
Posted: Thursday, December 19, 2019 10:43:21 AM
All of the above. Not to mention that many of those backgrounds rival my own and some of them flat out ape some of my stuff. I'm not saying that anyone stole from me. I am saying that these backgrounds are mostly generic stuff that probably every designer has in their inventory.

There is no way that I can spin this in a positive way. It is absolutely terrible.

First I don't want to pay these other designers because, why should I? I didn't ask other designers to help design my products. It's totally unsolicited. Second, I don't want other people's stuff in my products design tool. It's so unprofessional.

This would be a cool appliance if it was designed to allow designers to put their own backgrounds in it for their own products. Allowing more options on our products is great but only if it is voluntary and restricted to the original publisher of the product. I could easily replace all of those backgrounds with my own stuff. That would actually be super cool. But instead you have created a good thing and given it a terrible purpose.

Please rethink this whole thing, Zazzle.
Posted: Thursday, December 19, 2019 11:00:23 AM
Jerry wrote:


This would be a cool appliance if it was designed to allow designers to put their own backgrounds in it for their own products. Allowing more options on our products is great but only if it is voluntary and restricted to the original publisher of the product. I could easily replace all of those backgrounds with my own stuff. That would actually be super cool. But instead you have created a good thing and given it a terrible purpose.


I'm pretty sure this is something that designers have requested in the past. I know that many of the line elements that are currently in Create, but will undoubtedly show up in the design tool like these background images have, is something that designers have requested in the past too.

People have come up with great ideas to make Zazzle better, and now we have to pay for them. Be careful in making future design tool suggestions. You may have the best intentions but you never know what Z will do with those suggestions. A shame, really.

Sorry Z, just an observation.

ETA: Still got to know how much of my royalty I'm sharing for this... 2% or 25%
Posted: Thursday, December 19, 2019 11:04:55 AM
A search by "fox" and "building", in the Design Tool, shows two backgrounds (cute seamless patterns), by the same shop, created using elements by artist Eva Katerina. These backgrounds are now being offered as free downloads, via Create Tool. Is this acceptable?

In the Create Tool, a search by "watercolor" shows digital resources by artist Anna Babich being offered as free downloads. Is this acceptable?

Edit: Besides works by artist Eva Katerina, a search by "flamingo", in the Design Tool, shows this shop is also allowing free downloads, via Create Tool, of watercolor elements by artist EvgeniiasArt. Is this acceptable?

Edit 2: Isn't this image of tiles a Pixabay photo?
https://www.zazzle.com/z/p42aq
Posted: Thursday, December 19, 2019 12:41:02 PM
randysgrandma wrote:
Of course they do that right before they lock the forums for the holidays. Zazzle is really creating some hard feelings these days.


Zazzle locks the forums for the holidays? When does this happen and for how long?
Posted: Thursday, December 19, 2019 12:48:58 PM
buxmontweb wrote:
randysgrandma wrote:
Of course they do that right before they lock the forums for the holidays. Zazzle is really creating some hard feelings these days.


Zazzle locks the forums for the holidays? When does this happen and for how long?


Yes. They have for years due to spammers running amok while MODs were spending time with family. Now, Z Staff can be with family with no worries. This year shutdown happens on Friday and will continue until January 2nd.

News Forum: Holiday Hiatus 2019
Posted: Thursday, December 19, 2019 12:54:41 PM
Gina ©gleem wrote:
Yes. They have for years due to spammers running amok while MODs were spending time with family. Now, Z Staff can be with family with no worries. This year shutdown happens on Friday and will continue until January 2nd.

News Forum: Holiday Hiatus 2019


Thanks Gina. I missed that - for some reason the news forum was marked as read even though I hadn't read it.
Posted: Thursday, December 19, 2019 12:59:03 PM
buxmontweb wrote:
Gina ©gleem wrote:
Yes. They have for years due to spammers running amok while MODs were spending time with family. Now, Z Staff can be with family with no worries. This year shutdown happens on Friday and will continue until January 2nd.

News Forum: Holiday Hiatus 2019


Thanks Gina. I missed that - for some reason the news forum was marked as read even though I hadn't read it.


You're welcome. Since you questioned it I posted a thread in the Everything Else forum for anyone else that may have missed it.
Posted: Thursday, December 19, 2019 1:01:12 PM
red_dress wrote:
A search by "fox" and "building", in the Design Tool, shows two backgrounds (cute seamless patterns), by the same shop, created using elements by artist Eva Katerina. These backgrounds are now being offered as free downloads, via Create Tool. Is this acceptable?

In the Create Tool, a search by "watercolor" shows digital resources by artist Anna Babich being offered as free downloads. Is this acceptable?

Edit: Besides works by artist Eva Katerina, a search by "flamingo", in the Design Tool, shows this shop is also allowing free downloads, via Create Tool, of watercolor elements by artist EvgeniiasArt. Is this acceptable?

Edit 2: Isn't this image of tiles a Pixabay photo?
https://www.zazzle.com/z/p42aq

I checked just one--Anna Babish--and according to what I saw on her web site, she doesn't design for Zazzle. I was thinking maybe she did, perhaps under a special store name, but I saw no evidence of this.

Yes, it's a Pixabay photo by someone other than the person supposedly uploading it here on Zazzle. And it's unchanged, which is a violation of Pixabay's playbook.
Posted: Thursday, December 19, 2019 1:26:57 PM
Colorwash wrote:
red_dress wrote:
A search by "fox" and "building", in the Design Tool, shows two backgrounds (cute seamless patterns), by the same shop, created using elements by artist Eva Katerina. These backgrounds are now being offered as free downloads, via Create Tool. Is this acceptable?

In the Create Tool, a search by "watercolor" shows digital resources by artist Anna Babich being offered as free downloads. Is this acceptable?

Edit: Besides works by artist Eva Katerina, a search by "flamingo", in the Design Tool, shows this shop is also allowing free downloads, via Create Tool, of watercolor elements by artist EvgeniiasArt. Is this acceptable?

Edit 2: Isn't this image of tiles a Pixabay photo?
https://www.zazzle.com/z/p42aq

I checked just one--Anna Babish--and according to what I saw on her web site, she doesn't design for Zazzle. I was thinking maybe she did, perhaps under a special store name, but I saw no evidence of this.

Yes, it's a Pixabay photo by someone other than the person supposedly uploading it here on Zazzle. And it's unchanged, which is a violation of Pixabay's playbook.


Correct me if I am wrong but isn't this exactly what somebody was saying before about the problem with secondary content being attached to our designer name.

Somebody uploads things that are rights violations as secondary content and a customer adds it to our design then this questionable content goes out with our name on it.

And to add insult to injury, Zazzle wants us to pay for it.

This is unacceptable.
Posted: Thursday, December 19, 2019 1:35:33 PM
I'm not super worried about customers slapping any of these on my designs - nearly all of my items are already pattern backgrounds or photographs, which wouldn't lend themselves to additions of this type much, but I'm not sure why designers want to participate in this....

I have plenty of (original) photos and tiled backgrounds that I use, so say I put items into the pool that could be used as backgrounds. I would be basically giving up the opportunity to earn the royalty that I set for a product in exchange for a percentage of the royalty that someone else set..... And that someone else - how likely is that to be Zazzle.... because you can take a blank and put those background on it. So instead of making 15% on a sale I would make 25% of 5%...... That makes no sense to me. I don't sell my stuff as clip art - I see no incentive to start doing basically that here for pennies on the dollar to what I can make when someone actually buys my products.

Like the others say - if I retained control of it, it might be cool. I could make a templated design and offer multiple backgrounds, and still make the percentage that I set, but the way it is now.... no thanks.
Posted: Thursday, December 19, 2019 1:43:27 PM
Invincible Penguin wrote:
I'm not sure why designers want to participate in this....

I suppose it's possible they didn't know the down side to it, which could include animosity from designers who end up paying for a background they didn't want. Zazzle tends to gloss over the details or hide them in hyperbole.
Posted: Thursday, December 19, 2019 2:08:55 PM
Colorwash wrote:
red_dress wrote:
A search by "fox" and "building", in the Design Tool, shows two backgrounds (cute seamless patterns), by the same shop, created using elements by artist Eva Katerina. These backgrounds are now being offered as free downloads, via Create Tool. Is this acceptable?

In the Create Tool, a search by "watercolor" shows digital resources by artist Anna Babich being offered as free downloads. Is this acceptable?

Edit: Besides works by artist Eva Katerina, a search by "flamingo", in the Design Tool, shows this shop is also allowing free downloads, via Create Tool, of watercolor elements by artist EvgeniiasArt. Is this acceptable?

Edit 2: Isn't this image of tiles a Pixabay photo?
https://www.zazzle.com/z/p42aq

I checked just one--Anna Babish--and according to what I saw on her web site, she doesn't design for Zazzle. I was thinking maybe she did, perhaps under a special store name, but I saw no evidence of this.

Yes, it's a Pixabay photo by someone other than the person supposedly uploading it here on Zazzle. And it's unchanged, which is a violation of Pixabay's playbook.


I only checked the designer on one and it was Zingerbug, actually checking again, quite a few are zingerbugs
Posted: Thursday, December 19, 2019 2:11:37 PM
🌼Shelli Fitzpatrick wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong but isn't this exactly what somebody was saying before about the problem with secondary content being attached to our designer name.

Somebody uploads things that are rights violations as secondary content and a customer adds it to our design then this questionable content goes out with our name on it.

And to add insult to injury, Zazzle wants us to pay for it.

This is unacceptable.

+1

The "be kind" way Zazzle could permit us to protect ourselves from having our content commingled with content which violates is an opt-out for customization on Published Products. The unkind way is for us to have to recreate/republish.

The "be kind" way to handle the cost is for Zazzle and/or the customer to pay for that content, since we did nothing to deserve Royalty reductions.

Additional point: In-progress sharing should be disabled for anything with Secondary Content on it to avoid (1) copyright violations being associated with the Primary Designer and (2) abuse via hidden elements for the purpose of "earning" Royalty.
Posted: Thursday, December 19, 2019 2:55:52 PM
Colorwash wrote:

I checked just one--Anna Babish--and according to what I saw on her web site, she doesn't design for Zazzle. I was thinking maybe she did, perhaps under a special store name, but I saw no evidence of this.

Yes, it's a Pixabay photo by someone other than the person supposedly uploading it here on Zazzle. And it's unchanged, which is a violation of Pixabay's playbook.


Hello, Colorwash.

That shop, allowing free downloads of Anna B's work, had watercolor illustrations of other artists too. I emailed Zazzle about this and the illustrations i reported were removed. With Christmas, the support team must be busy and my second email, about Anna's work, got no reply.

If a customer uses that Pixabay image in our products, will we share our royalties with this secondary content designer?
Posted: Thursday, December 19, 2019 3:07:19 PM
randysgrandma wrote:


I only checked the designer on one


Are you sure?
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