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Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 5:50:07 AM
There are 3 days left before logging in will have caused you to agree with all the new terms.

Whether you have read them or not.

Edit to add: as Vivendulies has been kind enough to point out

Quote:
According to US court ruling, using a site and being informed in due time is sufficient for accepting terms. Having a store filled or empty is using the site.

If you keep using the site come 22nd Nov 2019 logging in or not is accepting the new terms. Though you might find a court who insists on the log in part.




Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 7:19:54 AM
I think most of them haven't read it, and doesn't know about it at all.

That is why not going to happen anything, Z will just wait that the time ends up tic tac tic tac and done, we shut up and go on designing products with their terms.

I still would like to opt out, or at least allow us to turn off the customisation thing on our existing products without loosing and deleting and recreating them.

Why cannot we do that? What would happen if we were able to do that for them?

nothing... Because majority wouldn't even know that it is possible to do it.

As not many closed their shops for sure, and not many left or leaving, and the silvers and above wont leave, because for them worth to stay, so that few people did this or that not disturbing much the water..

Please allow us to turn off Customisation on our existing products, if you wont change anything else at least let us do this.

You have here artists and designers with different aims and attitudes and way of working.

I deleted all, and would like to stay only with very few seasonal products, and I would like full control of them, and to be able to do the necessary adjustments while they stay in their position without deleting and recreating.

I dont care Zrank anymore, I dont care if I am not visible on the marketplace, I dont need that anybody add or take away anything from my products, I dont want to collab with anybody, neither share anything with anybody.
I am an artist who work alone, sell my own stuff, never wanted more.
And I still dont want chat to answer to questions to what I dont know the answers, the CS should do that.

I just want to sell them seasonally exactly how they were made by me, and thats all.
I dont want to concern about them.

so make the option, that on certain existing designs we can turn off everything, and just sell them as they are without changing anything by anybody.

It wont affect a lot who sell type of products what needs every type of customisation, because those products are different type of stuff then the items with original artworks what we want to protect so much.

It wont effect you, and your earnings on us, because who want this change is maybe only a dozen of artists, that all ..your silvers and up will anyway continue the good work and make your $...

I wouldn't like to hide my remaining Calendars, and delete them, because I promised to people that they will be available, if they buy they will do till end of January, so I want them available at least till then. I dont want to tell them, that who wanted to buy them, they should get it in the next 3 days, because it sounds disgusting, I dont want to rush them. I dont want to contact a hundred people to explain what is happening so they should buy it now, and obviously I dont want to loose money, I was waiting so much for the season like everybody else.

I want to sign in after 22..

and I am talking to myself ... Sad
totally pointless














Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 7:28:00 AM
­čî╝Shelli Fitzpatrick wrote:
There are 3 days left before logging in will have caused you to agree with all the new terms.

Whether you have read them or not.



You did it again. According to US court ruling, using a site and being informed in due time is sufficient for accepting terms. Having a store filled or empty is usig the site.

If you keep using the site come 22nd Nov 2019 logging in or not is accepting the new terms. Though you might find a court who insists on the log in part.
Happy
Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 7:31:24 AM
vivendulies wrote:
­čî╝Shelli Fitzpatrick wrote:
There are 3 days left before logging in will have caused you to agree with all the new terms.

Whether you have read them or not.



You did it again. According to US court ruling, using a site and being informed in due time is sufficient for accepting terms. Having a store filled or empty is usig the site.

If you keep using the site come 2nd Nov 2019 logging in or not is accepting the new terms. Though you might find a court who insists on the log in part.
Happy


Well this one is easier to fix at least... ;)

OP is edited.
Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 7:47:51 AM
As a fellow artist I want to pull these quotes out and highlight them

Quote:
You have here artists and designers with different aims and attitudes and way of working.


Quote:
I am an artist who work alone, sell my own stuff...I just want to sell them...I dont want to concern about them.


This was also part of my goal here... I thought this was a safe place to present, showcase and sell my own original art.

but in light of the recent events it is obvious Zazzle doesn't really understand artists.

I can do the designer bit too, if that is what it takes to make money here but I thought that since Zazzle offers wall art options that artists were welcome too. However if I had seen this coming I never would have uploaded my originals in the first place.

I hear you Kats of Karavella and I hope we are not talking to a brick wall.

Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 7:53:07 AM
I've hidden my newer and better stuff and deleted my images. I guess I'll have to delete the hidden stuff too. I think I'll leave some of the older artwork and most of my graphic patterns. I plan to add new patterns in future but not any more of my fine art. I never did offer many wall art options here so that isn't an issue. I did like being able to offer my fine art on a variety of products but don't think it is worth doing anymore.
Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 7:54:53 AM
­čî╝Shelli Fitzpatrick wrote:
As a fellow artist I want to pull these quotes out and highlight them

Quote:
You have here artists and designers with different aims and attitudes and way of working.


Quote:
I am an artist who work alone, sell my own stuff...I just want to sell them...I dont want to concern about them.


This was also part of my goal here... I thought this was a safe place to present, showcase and sell my own original art.

but in light of the recent events it is obvious Zazzle doesn't really understand artists.

I can do the designer bit too, if that is what it takes to make money here but I thought that since Zazzle offers wall art options that artists were welcome too. However if I had seen this coming I never would have uploaded my originals in the first place.

I hear you Kats of Karavella and I hope we are not talking to a brick wall.



I feel the same. Also it would be nice if they scrapped the terms altogether and started over. It would be extra nice to delete all in progress saved designs from collabs, give opt outs and no customization bulk button.
Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 8:01:17 AM
DreamEssence_Designs wrote:


Also it would be nice if they scrapped the terms altogether and started over. It would be extra nice to delete all in progress saved designs from collabs, give opt outs and no customization bulk button.


+1
Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 8:14:09 AM
Speaking of down to the wire..I still have pending funds that will give me about a 140 bucks. It's not a ton of money but I could use that and won't get it if I close my store I guess. All my designs have been deleted so licenses have terminated. I don't want to walk out on my hard earned payout. *sigh
Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 8:17:35 AM
Writing this with tears in my eyes because time IS running out. I don't comment in the forums very much, never have because I am a private person and that is just one reason I don't like all the changes. I know there are many here who have a lot more to lose than I do since I don't have purchased clipart or graphics but I do have my personal images that I don't want to see exposed for anyone to change as they wish.

At the very least I would like to see an opt out and be able to apply this to existing products. Just can't make the decision. If it weren't for two things I would delete all and go elsewhere. I do have my photo art in other places but can't find a suitable place to design my wedding invites in my WesterWeddingShop ,nothing beats Zazzle in that area.

Also my best selling product are the Avery binders in my Family History category. Hate to lose that.

Sorry about the long post, just had to rant a little. Time IS running out to make a decision. Blessing to all.Crying
Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 8:22:13 AM
Cats_Of_Karavella wrote:
As not many closed their shops for sure, and not many left or leaving, and the silvers and above wont leave, because for them worth to stay, so that few people did this or that not disturbing much the water..

I don't disagree with this entirely, but even just 100 small Designers who sell $10k worth of goods in a year equates to $1 million in annual revenue for Zazzle.

I haven't removed much yet - only those items which were most precious to me and hadn't yet been stolen. I am giving them until the last minute to make changes. I know I'm not the only one who is waiting.

For every Designer who has posted dissent or requests for opt-outs in the Forum, I've seen maybe 4 reading and not posting. Many more than is typical have come out of reading to let Z know how they feel - myself included. Some will surely stay; some will surely go.

If we take all that into consideration, the full effect of these changes has not been felt by Zazzle yet. If they forge ahead as planned, they are taking a risk and may not like what they see November 23. Will it be full-on devastating? I doubt that, but the reputation earned among Designers isn't going to go away any time soon.
Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 8:26:28 AM
­čî╝Shelli Fitzpatrick wrote:
There are 3 days left before logging in will have caused you to agree with all the new terms.

The silence is deafening.
Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 8:48:15 AM
-·-
FOUR DAYS OF TORTURE
135 PAGES WITH A
LIST OF 8625 DELETED DESIGNS
~2800 STILL HIDDEN

COLLAB BETA IS STILL RUNNING
WITH OCT19 USER AGREEMENT 6. COLLABORATION LEAK
26.2(ii) COMING

IT IS WHAT IT IS.

CHEERS FROM A VERY VERY
UNHAPPY CAMPER

Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 8:55:55 AM
Anderson_Designs wrote:
I've hidden my newer and better stuff and deleted my images. ....



This is images for sale, or back end images?
The images we use to create products are safe from outside use, correct?

Or will all images on Zazzle be open for use after logging in on Nov.22?





Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 9:06:16 AM
Gravityx9 wrote:
Anderson_Designs wrote:
I've hidden my newer and better stuff and deleted my images. ....



This is images for sale, or back end images?
The images we use to create products are safe from outside use, correct?

Or will all images on Zazzle be open for use after logging in on Nov.22?


It is highly unlikely that zazzle will release images from the admin. It would be chaos and mayhem and the end of a happy create tool experience. Your images in the admin area are save from a technical point of view.

Legally you agree to 26.2(ii) in the user agreement, which includes all uploads and License in the designer terms includes all content in the download still but it is followed by the intent that you are in control how you publish and whether you click to publish for download.
Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 9:25:39 AM
RoyK_is_a_She wrote:
[quote=I don't disagree with this entirely, but even just 100 small Designers who sell $10k worth of goods in a year equates to $1 million in annual revenue for Zazzle. [/quote]


Designers are also CUSTOMERS of Zazzle, as are many of their friends, family, co-workers, neighbors. Customers who are treated poorly and who are not valued by the company they do business with will stop doing business with that company and will spread the word.
Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 9:30:10 AM
KL Stock wrote:
RoyK_is_a_She wrote:
[quote=I don't disagree with this entirely, but even just 100 small Designers who sell $10k worth of goods in a year equates to $1 million in annual revenue for Zazzle.


Designers are also CUSTOMERS of Zazzle, as are many of their friends, family, co-workers, neighbors. Customers who are treated poorly and who are not valued by the company they do business with will stop doing business with that company and will spread the word.


Exactly history repeats itself after all.
Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 9:32:27 AM
I've deleted all my in progress designs, was going on into the under review designs, stamps, and can't find a way to delete them.

Is it me or is there no way to do that?

d
Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 9:46:39 AM
deemac1 wrote:
I've deleted all my in progress designs, was going on into the under review designs, stamps, and can't find a way to delete them.

Is it me or is there no way to do that?

d


I deleted them from the discontinued folder a long time ago. This will remove them from the review area, too.
Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 9:47:06 AM
deemac1 wrote:
I've deleted all my in progress designs, was going on into the under review designs, stamps, and can't find a way to delete them.

Is it me or is there no way to do that?

d


I just checked and my images posted under reviews are not showing. I would double check. I thought all of the products with my images were deleted but some stragglers showed up later.
Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 9:50:05 AM
@deemac1... Are you talking postage? If so, delete it in the back end in whatever category it's listed. Give it a little time and it should disappear from the "Under Review" section too.
Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 10:05:17 AM
KL Stock wrote:
RoyK_is_a_She wrote:
[quote=I don't disagree with this entirely, but even just 100 small Designers who sell $10k worth of goods in a year equates to $1 million in annual revenue for Zazzle.



Designers are also CUSTOMERS of Zazzle, as are many of their friends, family, co-workers, neighbors. Customers who are treated poorly and who are not valued by the company they do business with will stop doing business with that company and will spread the word. [/quote]

This is what happened with the many of us SKs who left CP, and oh yea...came here with promises from Z. Hmmm...
(I came here from CP in July 2008.)
So, +1 for your post.
Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 10:45:07 AM
Saints_Aplenty wrote:
@deemac1... Are you talking postage? If so, delete it in the back end in whatever category it's listed. Give it a little time and it should disappear from the "Under Review" section too.


Thanks!
Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 10:48:43 AM
KL Stock wrote:
RoyK_is_a_She wrote:
wrote:
I don't disagree with this entirely, but even just 100 small Designers who sell $10k worth of goods in a year equates to $1 million in annual revenue for Zazzle.



Designers are also CUSTOMERS of Zazzle, as are many of their friends, family, co-workers, neighbors. Customers who are treated poorly and who are not valued by the company they do business with will stop doing business with that company and will spread the word.

Oh, yes. This loss is immeasurable, although I'm sure Z has metric they use to estimate.

I buy business cards/hang tags, stickers, and more for my soaping business, gifts for birthdays and Christmas, home decor samples for shows, my own thank-you notes and stationery, and the occasional gift for myself here. My youngest daughter is getting married in early 2021; her fiance is asking me about 25-30 T-shirts for Christmas right now; my other daughter just asked me about a shirt the other day. All that and more is at risk, and I'm just one person. With a big mouth (in case that needed to be pointed out).

People tell a few friends about a great experience and everyone about a poor one.
Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 12:27:06 PM
RoyK_is_a_She wrote:
KL Stock wrote:
RoyK_is_a_She wrote:
wrote:
I don't disagree with this entirely, but even just 100 small Designers who sell $10k worth of goods in a year equates to $1 million in annual revenue for Zazzle.



Designers are also CUSTOMERS of Zazzle, as are many of their friends, family, co-workers, neighbors. Customers who are treated poorly and who are not valued by the company they do business with will stop doing business with that company and will spread the word.

Oh, yes. This loss is immeasurable, although I'm sure Z has metric they use to estimate.

I buy business cards/hang tags, stickers, and more for my soaping business, gifts for birthdays and Christmas, home decor samples for shows, my own thank-you notes and stationery, and the occasional gift for myself here. My youngest daughter is getting married in early 2021; her fiance is asking me about 25-30 T-shirts for Christmas right now; my other daughter just asked me about a shirt the other day. All that and more is at risk, and I'm just one person. With a big mouth (in case that needed to be pointed out).

People tell a few friends about a great experience and everyone about a poor one.


I also make a lot of purchases here for myself and for gifting. I subscribe to Zazzle black.

I also make recommendations on where to shop and where not to shop to friends and family and they respect my advice. So far I haven't put Z on my "do not shop" list.
Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 1:58:33 PM
Yes - really getting down to the wire. Still anxiously awaiting an update from @Zazzle before taking further action tomorrow. My 2 cents: "collaborate" should be a completely separate opt-in from "customize", and the default should be off for all products, existing and new.

Allowing customization should not open our designs to collaboration.
Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 2:13:54 PM
buxmontweb wrote:
Yes - really getting down to the wire. Still anxiously awaiting an update from @Zazzle before taking further action tomorrow. My 2 cents: "collaborate" should be a completely separate opt-in from "customize", and the default should be off for all products, existing and new.

Allowing customization should not open our designs to collaboration.


++1
Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 2:25:47 PM
buxmontweb wrote:
Yes - really getting down to the wire. Still anxiously awaiting an update from @Zazzle before taking further action tomorrow. My 2 cents: "collaborate" should be a completely separate opt-in from "customize", and the default should be off for all products, existing and new.

Allowing customization should not open our designs to collaboration.


+1

Each feature whether old or new needs to have it's own opt out. always!
Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 2:31:04 PM
I've been struggling to understand exactly what Z is doing with these changes, especially just going into the holiday season. Reading all the comments on the forum is just very depressing and seeing people closing stores, etc.
I'm somewhat new and starting to make sales after spending hours and days and weeks learning the platform and all the backdoor stuff involved in becoming successful, and working hard on designs. It's unbelievable.
But I felt that maybe I had a chance to make some extra online income to supplement if I kept at it.
I'm watching now to see how things go Nov22-23 and whether this platform even remains an option.

In the meantime, are there other POD sites anyone could suggest? If RedBubble or Society 6 have anything particular to recommend them?

Hope everyone manages to have a decent season.
Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 2:54:14 PM
I told you all that I am leaving today. I have to write my experience in the attempt to close my account.

You have to go to the the help menu. Click on the question about contacting support. Then the Ask A Question. It gives you an option to email, call by phone, or chat.

I chose email. In the Ask a question you can choose the option for my account/designer inquiry

Then you get more options. choose close my account. THEN you get a form to fill out and hit send at the bottom of the form.

There is no actual email listed that I could find. It is all done in the site form. I tried to save the page and also scroll over and save. But, I got a blank form after I saved it so, I did print it on paper OK.

I then got an email that says that someone will respond within one business day excluding weekends...

Perhaps I will go ahead and try to call on the phone. At this rate, I could be trying still to close my account after the 22nd of Nov.~

Just thought this experience might be useful to you all.
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