Designers, what are your thoughts about the new free digital downloads tool? 5 pages: 1 2 [3] 4 5
Posted: Sunday, June 23, 2019 1:12:07 PM
The download button is still there for me.

It is up in the top right hand corner and it stayed there even after I modified a design that I had already downloaded.

I am not sure why we are seeing different things...
Posted: Sunday, June 23, 2019 1:19:18 PM
Shelli Fitzpatrick wrote:
The download button is still there for me.

It is up in the top right hand corner and it stayed there even after I modified a design that I had already downloaded.

I am not sure why we are seeing different things...


Still there for me as well.

It wouldn't make any sense to remove the download button considering that is what the tool was created for, at least according to the video and the news post.

Posted: Sunday, June 23, 2019 1:19:33 PM
Jerry wrote:


It's almost like they are trying to figure out ways to cut out designers. I'm really looking forward to an explanation.


You said exactly what my gut feeling has been about this and other things that have been happening lately.

I wonder if we will get an explanation...
Posted: Sunday, June 23, 2019 1:27:02 PM
I did a bit of googling and digital business cards are apparently a thing. There are apparently many apps for making purely digital business cards which are never meant to be printed. This would explain why it is nearly every type of social media plus business cards. It clicked for me with the LinkedIn social media templates. Apparently people post their digital business cards as part of their LinkedIn profile.


This doesn't look like Zazzle trying to undercut existing designs in the MP. Those designs can never be downloaded digitally and are meant to only go on physical products. This looks more to me like Zazzle trying to get into a business that they haven't ever explored before and then hoping people will also go to the MP for physical things. It's Canva this competes with, not us.
Posted: Sunday, June 23, 2019 1:31:09 PM
Susannah Keegan wrote:
It's Canva this competes with, not us.

Until they allow the designs to be added to products, which they can be, then it competes with us.
Shelli Fitzpatrick wrote:
Jerry wrote:


It's almost like they are trying to figure out ways to cut out designers. I'm really looking forward to an explanation.


You said exactly what my gut feeling has been about this and other things that have been happening lately.

I wonder if we will get an explanation...

Who knows.

There was also that "white glove wedding service" that I thought competed with designers. I don't even see that anymore. Does it still exist?
Posted: Sunday, June 23, 2019 1:38:04 PM
Jerry wrote:
Susannah Keegan wrote:
It's Canva this competes with, not us.

Until they allow the designs to be added to products, which they can be, then it competes with us.


yes it competes with us already with the products tab and the design content and the print quality free downloads.

and we are only seeing phase one so far.
Posted: Sunday, June 23, 2019 1:40:52 PM
vivendulies wrote:


LOOK, IT'S FREE





NO it is not, not really. Someone is going to pay a very high price for it. Particularly the designers that it is going to affect.



Posted: Sunday, June 23, 2019 1:54:02 PM
eclecticpastime wrote:
vivendulies wrote:


LOOK, IT'S FREE





NO it is not, not really. Someone is going to pay a very high price for it. Particularly the designers that it is going to affect.





I am pretty sure that she was being sarcastic... in context she doesn't seem to believe it is free either...
Posted: Sunday, June 23, 2019 2:02:07 PM
Jerry wrote:


There was also that "white glove wedding service" that I thought competed with designers. I don't even see that anymore. Does it still exist?



The "white glove wedding service" is now the splash banner for the wedding department. It does seem to compete with wedding invite designers. But then again, maybe it doesn't. One of their services is "custom designer requests". Does this mean that Zazzle facilitates communication between a wedding invite designer with existing invites that a customer wants tweaked? Or does it mean that the Zazzle team does the designing themselves? No way for me to know. Maybe the gold wedding designers are discussing this amongst themselves in that forum. Or not. I'll never know.


I just can't get too worried about this. I honestly think it could help with upselling. For the "white glove wedding service", the customers will probably be steered to existing products for weddings they hadn't even considered (like fans) which is an upsell.


The LinkedIn profiles and digital business cards could upsell to other office products designed by us- they really have expanded their small business offerings.



Even the Twitter/Youtube/Instagram templates have the chance of upsell to other products. Maybe they are trying to attract social media influencers (or those who aspire to be that). The little phone widgets they introduced last week are inexplicable to me but they seem like the sort of thing a social media influencer would put on her phone along with a case we designed as she takes pictures of herself in the bathroom mirror to post on Instagram.


I am an eternal optimist.
Posted: Sunday, June 23, 2019 2:46:15 PM
Just watching the chat one more time and here are some highlights I picked out

minute 2:40 "so what's Zazzle create? um, we believe that you don't have to go to a product page..."


really? well I kind of do believe that I would like shoppers to go to my product page and see my designs on the product and see the collections I have worked hard to create in the hopes of selling more of my designs.

If this doesn't happen and they even avoid the search engine as was implied starting at minute 2:52, then pray tell me how are my designs going to be seen?


starting at minute 3:12 "you can just go straight to the design tool and start designing"

true, but only with your provided content and templates that are available for free downloads... still no chance that this customer is ever going to see any of the product designs and templates I have spent 4 years working to create and as long as the free download button exists, my designs will never be in this design tool.

starting at minute 2:32 "um, we get a lot of requests from our design tools like 'hey! I want to be able to download this image, I want to put it on my phone as a wallpaper or an Instagram post...'"

Exactly the reason that as long as the downloads are free, hi print quality resolution and there is no compensation to the designer, you will never see any of my designs through this design tool.

okay that is enough ... I can't even watch anymore of it.

I am even more incredulous now than I was the first time I watched it and was actually talking back to the screen...



Posted: Sunday, June 23, 2019 2:59:14 PM
Susannah Keegan wrote:
I did a bit of googling and digital business cards are apparently a thing. There are apparently many apps for making purely digital business cards which are never meant to be printed. This would explain why it is nearly every type of social media plus business cards. It clicked for me with the LinkedIn social media templates. Apparently people post their digital business cards as part of their LinkedIn profile.


This doesn't look like Zazzle trying to undercut existing designs in the MP. Those designs can never be downloaded digitally and are meant to only go on physical products. This looks more to me like Zazzle trying to get into a business that they haven't ever explored before and then hoping people will also go to the MP for physical things. It's Canva this competes with, not us.


I had no problem placing my pooch on one of the digital business cards and download the bugger at 1000-something pixel.

I'm sure the average user will take this tool as an invitation to use zazzle as stock image provider with a free download and canva is not free.

https://about.canva.com/pricing/

Only the sigh up, after that you get to pay for images and service.

So where is zazzle putting up the pay wall?

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Posted: Sunday, June 23, 2019 3:05:04 PM
Shelli Fitzpatrick wrote:
eclecticpastime wrote:
vivendulies wrote:


LOOK, IT'S FREE





NO it is not, not really. Someone is going to pay a very high price for it. Particularly the designers that it is going to affect.





I am pretty sure that she was being sarcastic... in context she doesn't seem to believe it is free either...


I was paraphrasing the zazzle chat. As mentioned before, I was burned by a PoD before with this type of marketing.

And yes there was sarcasm included. Smile

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Posted: Sunday, June 23, 2019 3:09:45 PM
Susannah Keegan wrote:


The "white glove wedding service" is now the splash banner for the wedding department. It does seem to compete with wedding invite designers. But then again, maybe it doesn't. One of their services is "custom designer requests". Does this mean that Zazzle facilitates communication between a wedding invite designer with existing invites that a customer wants tweaked? Or does it mean that the Zazzle team does the designing themselves? No way for me to know. Maybe the gold wedding designers are discussing this amongst themselves in that forum. Or not. I'll never know.

I'm not sure either. I'm not a wedding designer. I just remember when I first saw it, I thought that it was something that wedding designers did on their own anyway. It says on the page "Product design support, including original designs or custom designer requests", whatever that means.

Susannah Keegan wrote:

I am an eternal optimist.

I try to be. Smile
Posted: Sunday, June 23, 2019 3:17:49 PM
Jerry wrote:
They should leave the designing to the designers.

+1

Jerry wrote:
It's almost like they are trying to figure out ways to cut out designers.

Also +1. Having trouble understanding how the existing pool of designers and their product offerings somehow isn't enough, to the point that Zazzle would need to offer competing content.

Why?
Posted: Sunday, June 23, 2019 3:21:00 PM
Jerry wrote:
[quote=lioncrusher]
It's almost like they are trying to figure out ways to cut out designers. I'm really looking forward to an explanation.


My thoughts exactly!
Posted: Sunday, June 23, 2019 3:21:28 PM
-.-


If the number of templates remain in the numbers they're at, I don't mind that tool at all, esp. when they introduce the pay wall with us providing the designs you pay as it should be.

@Shelli Fitzpatrick

I don't think a download is the problem if it is limited very few per customer and day and doesn't exceed those ~1000 pixel and the download requires the acknowledgement of a license agreement with a little check box for consent with the terms, just to make sure nobody mistages zazzle with pixabay.

;)
Posted: Sunday, June 23, 2019 4:14:03 PM
vivendulies wrote:
-.-


If the number of templates remain in the numbers they're at, I don't mind that tool at all, esp. when they introduce the pay wall with us providing the designs you pay as it should be.

@Shelli Fitzpatrick

I don't think a download is the problem if it is limited very few per customer and day and doesn't exceed those ~1000 pixel and the download requires the acknowledgement of a license agreement with a little check box for consent with the terms, just to make sure nobody mistages zazzle with pixabay.

;)



If it is for a price and a royalty to the designer per copy is paid and said designer has agreed to specific license terms and the buyer understands the limited rights they have just purchased... then maybe.

This kind of sub-licensing falls under rights managed licenses and needs to be spelled out very specifically in the terms. And btw it is not part of the license we have already agreed to.
Posted: Sunday, June 23, 2019 4:44:18 PM
Shelli Fitzpatrick wrote:
Just watching the chat one more time and here are some highlights I picked out

minute 2:40 "so what's Zazzle create? um, we believe that you don't have to go to a product page..."


Sounds not that logical to me. In my eyes, Zazzle is a place, where you can find nicely designed quality gifts, which you can personalize and gift your loved ones. When I look for gifts, I already have some ideas what I want to buy, depending on the targeted recipient, and in such cases I look first for a specific product and then for a nice design. As in a department store. And if I'm looking for a specific theme, I use the search.

Shelli Fitzpatrick wrote:
starting at minute 3:12 "you can just go straight to the design tool and start designing"


Sure. I start "designing" something right away, without a clue on what product my masterpiece-mix of basic templates and amateur-ish attempts will fit. And will gift said masterpiece of art to a loved one. Of course it's not that great looking as that lovely design of artist X, but hey, it's made with love and I saved 2 bucks. Wait... there are professionally designed, great looking products for 2 bucks more? On a product twice the price of a dropshipped China gadget sold on Amazon? Dangit.

Shelli Fitzpatrick wrote:
starting at minute 2:32 "um, we get a lot of requests from our design tools like 'hey! I want to be able to download this image, I want to put it on my phone as a wallpaper or an Instagram post...'"


Yeah, sure. With all these free wallpaper and artist sites with amazing imagery, you want to use Zazzle images as your phone wallpapers. For social posts there may be a legit usage, e.g. for a quick save the date or invitation or greeting post. But otherwise, with all these free phone apps (templates, stickers, filters etc) allowing you to enhance - some times in a better, most times in a worse way - your image posts, do you really need also Zazzle on top of them?

Not mentioning the fact, that I will give away my own designs for free in my own way, when I want, how I want, with my watermark on them and expecting something in return. Such as likes, visits, followers, free ad and possible customers.

Shelli Fitzpatrick wrote:
okay that is enough ... I can't even watch anymore of it.

I am even more incredulous now than I was the first time I watched it and was actually talking back to the screen...

There was no need to comment your thoughts, because you got it perfectly right. I had almost the same reaction (more a shaking head), thinking about how much you could improve that unique marketplace (huge product assortment, high personalization, tons of professional designs) and the designers' and affiliates' low-cost promotion and ad power just by providing great looking insitu-views (ever noticed how professional and appealing Aliexpress product mockups look, for the garbage they sell?) and marketing material, and seeing where the efforts and manpower are directed instead.
Posted: Sunday, June 23, 2019 5:00:04 PM
PetsDreamlands wrote:
Shelli Fitzpatrick wrote:
Just watching the chat one more time and here are some highlights I picked out

minute 2:40 "so what's Zazzle create? um, we believe that you don't have to go to a product page..."


Sounds not that logical to me. In my eyes, Zazzle is a place, where you can find nicely designed quality gifts, which you can personalize and gift your loved ones. When I look for gifts, I already have some ideas what I want to buy, depending on the targeted recipient, and in such cases I look first for a specific product and then for a nice design. As in a department store. And if I'm looking for a specific theme, I use the search.

Shelli Fitzpatrick wrote:
starting at minute 3:12 "you can just go straight to the design tool and start designing"


Sure. I start "designing" something right away, without a clue on what product my masterpiece-mix of basic templates and amateur-ish attempts will fit. And will gift said masterpiece of art to a loved one. Of course it's not that great looking as that lovely design of artist X, but hey, it's made with love and I saved 2 bucks. Wait... there are professionally designed, great looking products for 2 bucks more? On a product twice the price of a dropshipped China gadget sold on Amazon? Dangit.

Shelli Fitzpatrick wrote:
starting at minute 2:32 "um, we get a lot of requests from our design tools like 'hey! I want to be able to download this image, I want to put it on my phone as a wallpaper or an Instagram post...'"


Yeah, sure. With all these free wallpaper and artist sites with amazing imagery, you want to use Zazzle images as your phone wallpapers. For social posts there may be a legit usage, e.g. for a quick save the date or invitation or greeting post. But otherwise, with all these free phone apps (templates, stickers, filters etc) allowing you to enhance - some times in a better, most times in a worse way - your image posts, do you really need also Zazzle on top of them?

Not mentioning the fact, that I will give away my own designs for free in my own way, when I want, how I want, with my watermark on them and expecting something in return. Such as likes, visits, followers, free ad and possible customers.

Shelli Fitzpatrick wrote:
okay that is enough ... I can't even watch anymore of it.

I am even more incredulous now than I was the first time I watched it and was actually talking back to the screen...

There was no need to comment your thoughts, because you got it perfectly right. I had almost the same reaction (more a shaking head), thinking about how much you could improve that unique marketplace (huge product assortment, high personalization, tons of professional designs) and the designers' and affiliates' low-cost promotion and ad power just by providing great looking insitu-views (ever noticed how professional and appealing Aliexpress product mockups look, for the garbage they sell?) and marketing material, and seeing where the efforts and manpower are directed instead.


It is nice to know I am not alone. I wonder what the bonus prize is?
Posted: Sunday, June 23, 2019 5:16:36 PM
Shelli Fitzpatrick wrote:
It is nice to know I am not alone. I wonder what the bonus prize is?

You're welcome. Not that my opinion counts much on Z, tho.
A (free) pic of genuine, handmade Sicilian ice cream. Personalizable with your own flavor choice Grin
Posted: Sunday, June 23, 2019 5:23:59 PM
Quote:
Jerry Lambert wrote:


I'm not sure either. I'm not a wedding designer. I just remember when I first saw it, I thought that it was something that wedding designers did on their own anyway. It says on the page "Product design support, including original designs or custom designer requests", whatever that means.



This also made me apprehensive and I don't even design many wedding suites.

Quote:
Susannah Keegan wrote:

I am an eternal optimist.


I really would like to be, but it sure isn't easy.

someone earlier in the thread described us designers as the Zazzle "cash cow" and that is how it is starting to feel only it seems like they don't have the cow's best interests at heart.

Posted: Sunday, June 23, 2019 6:59:29 PM
PetsDreamlands wrote:
Shelli Fitzpatrick wrote:
It is nice to know I am not alone. I wonder what the bonus prize is?

You're welcome. Not that my opinion counts much on Z, tho.
A (free) pic of genuine, handmade Sicilian ice cream. Personalizable with your own flavor choice Grin


Thanks! I like pistachio
as far as the bonus I meant for the Z idea dept. I wonder what that bonus looks like...
Posted: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 1:20:29 PM
Feedback..

I like how easy and smooth this is for creating instant products to use with referral links. No titles, tags and descriptions to worry about. No designer fee, or marketplace listing if one just completes that one step and yet a sale and referral fee is possible.

However, you can obtain marketplace and designer royalty when you opt to 'sell' via that same 'share' link, following the steps we are currently following (edit, sell, title, description, tag etc.).

It has advantages for designers - once we properly see what's possible.

And it's easier to use, faster. I look forward to seeing how it evolves and hope it offers advantages for designers without competing with royalty based designer templates.


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Posted: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 7:22:22 PM
Not sure what my take on this new Create tool is yet. Have not checked it out, and not sure when I'll find the time to do so. Sounds like it's more for social media sharing for promoting our products, although I'm sure there are other applications. I certainly don't want to make my template designs available unless I'm going to be getting a royalty on them. That being said, I'll just have to see how this thing plays out.
Posted: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 5:22:46 AM
Col's Creations wrote:
Jerry wrote:
We must be seeing two different pages. What I see on that page is a button that says "Start New Design" and to the right of that there is a big white box that says "Start creating your masterpiece by clicking Start New Design on the left. or Use a template below to get started." Then there are several sections of templates including Featured which has eight different sized templates, Business Cards, Facebook Advertising, Facebook Banners & Headers, LinkedIn Posts, YouTube Banners & Headers and Facebook Posts which all look like business card templates. Then there is Tumblr Banners & Headers and LinkedIn Banners & Headers which looks like mini business card templates. Then there is Tumblr Posts which looks like invite templates. Then there is LinkedIn Profile & Icons, YouTube Profile & Icons and General which look like square business card templates. And then Instagram Posts which has a variety of different sized templates.

Yeah, seeing different things. I get a section at the top of the page that includes a big Get Started button, then below that Inspiration Templates sorted into all the categories you mentioned EXCEPT business cards, and then below that, a section that looks just like the regular Create Your Own list of things you can design on and clicking any of those is business as usual - you get the regular blank product and design tool.

Checking it out again this morning and the difference is in whether one is signed in or not. Signed into my account I see what you all are, including the business card template section. If I am not signed in, I see what I was describing which looks quite a bit different.

Also realized that the bookmarked link I've used for a long time (zazzle.com/create) to go directly to finding a blank product to start designing on now takes you to this new Create page and its design tool. Need to go to zazzle.com/custom/gifts now to get to the blanks.




Posted: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 6:12:50 AM
Col's Creations wrote:


Also realized that the bookmarked link I've used for a long time (zazzle.com/create) to go directly to finding a blank product to start designing on now takes you to this new Create page and its design tool. Need to go to zazzle.com/custom/gifts now to get to the blanks.


I always use Zazzle Blanks
Posted: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 6:20:01 AM
Just watched the video.
They are talking about requests from designers to be able to download an image and use it as digital content to share, etc so at about 3:55 Monica says

Quote:
"Nice, yeah, I know we've had that request come up before, like, having to put your design on a product kind of limits where that design goes and almost forces you to buy that product, uhm, with the design tool you can just have that image wherever you go."

Wow. I thought that was pretty much Zazzle's whole business plan - to sell products.
And Sean responds with

Quote:
"Yeah so one of the great things about Zazzle is that we do have a design tool but we are also really good at making physical products..."

Isn't that what Zazzle is known for? Doing a fantastic job with custom printed physical products?

It definitely sounds like they are 1) looking for a way into the e-card / e-vite market and 2) are thinking that if people start using Zazzle to make images for use on social media that they might be all "oh, I like that so much I wish I could put it on a t-shirt or something..." so it's like a back-door way to get people to make an impulse buy, using the free design tool/downloads as the bait. But as someone else said, there are already countless free tools and websites and mobile apps out there for photo manipulation and captioning so how are they going to attract these new users, especially when the free images going out have no credit back to Zazzle on them? When is the last time you saw an image in someone's post somewhere or noticed their avatar or something and asked them "hey, that's neat, where/how did you make it?". never! Even if someone shares an image to their 6,000 followers noone except the poster is going to know it came from Zazzle. I'm just scratching my head over how their foray into being an anonymous digital content provider is going to lead to more users and more sales.

Posted: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 6:21:44 AM
BKMuir wrote:
I always use Zazzle Blanks

I have never seen that page before. Have that bookmarked now, too. Thanks.
Posted: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 6:30:54 AM
Good points Coleenz

the more I look at it the less I understand it.

As you say they need link backs, at the very least this seems like a monumental missed opportunity for advertising.

There are so many other good points made in this thread and I really hope that Z admins will not blow it off but read through here and hopefully answer some of our questions and concerns...
Posted: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 6:31:56 AM
Col's Creations wrote:
BKMuir wrote:
I always use Zazzle Blanks

I have never seen that page before. Have that bookmarked now, too. Thanks.

One caveat, Zazzle did tell us at one point that they wouldn't be updating Zazzle Blanks anymore. If you go there and sort by 'newest', the first product shown is the HP laptop skins. Searching for a few of the newer products confirms that they can't be found there.
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