Design Grouping New Feature. 2 pages: [1] 2
Posted: Friday, August 02, 2019 9:00:56 AM
Great new feature - but I didn't realize that once you group products the checked select boxes don't reset, so now I think I've grouped unrelated products.

Where's the head think emoji?

So, uh, it would be nice if once you "group products"together, the check marks reset.
Posted: Friday, August 02, 2019 10:11:50 AM
I will agree with you there. On Monday I submitted using the Action button and noticed the same thing. Now I don't know if they had been seen by a human, AI or not at all.
Posted: Friday, August 02, 2019 10:37:28 AM
ZBug wrote:
Great new feature - but I didn't realize that once you group products the checked select boxes don't reset, so now I think I've grouped unrelated products.

Where's the head think emoji?

So, uh, it would be nice if once you "group products"together, the check marks reset.


I did that too, but since you don't group them at that point but submit those to a reviewer to group them, I'm sure they realize that those don't go together. I simply repeated the grouping request this time with the non fitting excluded.

And I, too, got a little annoyed with the lack of reset.
Posted: Friday, August 02, 2019 11:09:30 AM
I'll see if I can get that fixed for ya. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Posted: Saturday, August 03, 2019 5:41:39 AM
Thank you Scott. Roses
Posted: Saturday, August 03, 2019 12:38:21 PM
+100

I just submitted plenty including some products that were not supposed to be in those groups...
Posted: Sunday, August 04, 2019 9:16:14 AM
Not that it matters, but I LOVE the fact that they stay ticked. It means I can edit/move them without looking through and re-checking them. However, I guess I can see how that would bother/confuse people.
Posted: Thursday, August 08, 2019 3:55:14 PM
This is happening to me today too (oops!) so--it doesn't look like it has been fixed. At least, not for me.
Posted: Friday, August 09, 2019 3:04:42 AM
I would love to hear if those that used that new feature had their products grouped.
Posted: Friday, August 09, 2019 3:58:29 AM
LM Gildersleeve wrote:
I would love to hear if those that used that new feature had their products grouped.

Yes, grouping has occurred, but in one case, one of four products was ignored, and so far, I haven’t been able to get it corrected. So it works, but watch for errors.
Posted: Friday, August 09, 2019 5:45:55 AM
Thanks for chiming in colorwash. I didn't see anything happen with my beach towel request so I guess it's a no go.
Posted: Friday, August 09, 2019 6:23:22 AM
LM Gildersleeve wrote:
Thanks for chiming in colorwash. I didn't see anything happen with my beach towel request so I guess it's a no go.

I had eight business cards, each with a different background color. Four of them had a dark background, so I made the design element white, and four of the cards had light backgrounds, requiring that I make the design element black. It came through as two groupings, one with the white design and one with the black.

I have another set of four business cards where I changed the background color and the color of the design element. No alteration in position, no font change, etc. Three of the cards were grouped. No matter what I do, I can't get the fourth included.

The process used for grouping may be flawed.
Posted: Friday, August 09, 2019 7:26:29 AM
It has not worked for me. Not one of the many I tried to group has worked.

If zazzle sees this, here is an example of two products I tried to group. They are identical except for color.
https://www.zazzle.com/future_cute_surgeon_in_scrubs_t_shirt-235954335663616817
https://www.zazzle.com/future_cute_surgeon_in_scrubs_t_shirt-235282216619114207

Posted: Friday, August 09, 2019 8:37:40 AM
ZBug wrote:
It has not worked for me. Not one of the many I tried to group has worked.

If zazzle sees this, here is an example of two products I tried to group. They are identical except for color.
https://www.zazzle.com/future_cute_surgeon_in_scrubs_t_shirt-235954335663616817
https://www.zazzle.com/future_cute_surgeon_in_scrubs_t_shirt-235282216619114207


I think what's happening with these shirts is that the background isn't being changed but the image is. It requires human eyes to realize it may be two separate images being used, but this is only because skin color has been altered. If Zazzle is using a bot, this explains the lack of grouping. In some cases, real humans have to take a look.
Posted: Friday, August 09, 2019 8:57:11 AM
This feature is new to me so I just started using it today. Whatever is already grouped was automatically done by Zazzle and not due to anything I submitted.
Posted: Friday, August 09, 2019 11:01:38 AM
I submitted the original link. -- No response

I used the new grouping -- no response

After several days - I retitled two items that did not get grouped -- so far, no response.

Next week I will click on the grouping again.

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I think the two that were grouped (out of 4) were automatic because I "customized" the first to create the second. (not certain on this, as all four need to be created individually, but I could have copy/pasted from existing design to paste into the first item in order to "Customize" - deleting all fields of original. ??? I don't really remember how they were created.)
Posted: Friday, August 09, 2019 1:18:04 PM
I emailed Zazzle this morning about 13 different occasions where the grouping is not taking place in my store either. In each one, the design is identical and the background is only a different color. From what I know, these should be automatically grouping...to some degree. The point is to make simple word differences in titles, descriptions and tags, right?

The main problem I see is that there is no feedback to which we can verify why it's not grouping.

And, the fact that I've submitted these 3 and 4 times, just proves my point - which is no feedback in order to stop resubmitting and get on with it.

And, as far as emailing goes...being it's Friday, I hopefully will get a response next week. But, will it be as generic as "look at the Do's and Don'ts in the help center"? Of which is no answer or feedback.

So, the hair pulling out icon is right here, see it?

Here's what I'm dealing with, as my examples:
https://www.zazzle.com/watercolor_summer_flowers_teal_wrapping_paper-256393978899970221
https://www.zazzle.com/watercolor_summer_flowers_green_wrapping_paper-256636775234294318
https://www.zazzle.com/watercolor_summer_flowers_burgundy_wrapping_paper-256254062273167426
and the one that got away?
https://www.zazzle.com/watercolor_summer_flowers_yellow_wrapping_paper-256386924566457685
Posted: Friday, August 09, 2019 1:51:45 PM
Colorwash wrote:
ZBug wrote:
It has not worked for me. Not one of the many I tried to group has worked.

If zazzle sees this, here is an example of two products I tried to group. They are identical except for color.
https://www.zazzle.com/future_cute_surgeon_in_scrubs_t_shirt-235954335663616817
https://www.zazzle.com/future_cute_surgeon_in_scrubs_t_shirt-235282216619114207


I think what's happening with these shirts is that the background isn't being changed but the image is. It requires human eyes to realize it may be two separate images being used, but this is only because skin color has been altered. If Zazzle is using a bot, this explains the lack of grouping. In some cases, real humans have to take a look.


What's interesting is that I have several items just like this--and some the bot grouped on all it's own.

Like this one: https://www.zazzle.com/cute_girl_waitress_with_wine_t_shirt-235318766846755464

I'll also add in my awareness ribbons store, many of those are grouped. There is no background change, it's all the same design with different colored images: https://www.zazzle.com/blue_and_purple_ribbon_with_butterfly_t_shirt-235047789897988477
Posted: Friday, August 09, 2019 2:07:33 PM
ZBug, that’s interesting. I wonder if Zazzle changed something which is now affecting us adversely.
Posted: Saturday, August 10, 2019 11:37:21 AM
This feature is so great!

I'd love to be able to design one product (red) and then immediately duplicate it from the last screen in a new color (blue).

I'd like for the second product
1. to be automatically grouped
2. have all the fields pre-populated from the previous product
3. automatically go into the correct store category — this has been VERY glitchy and I've had to set the store category repeatedly.

Thanks!!
Posted: Saturday, August 10, 2019 12:08:23 PM
Laura Sweat wrote:
I emailed Zazzle this morning about 13 different occasions where the grouping is not taking place in my store either. In each one, the design is identical and the background is only a different color. From what I know, these should be automatically grouping...to some degree. The point is to make simple word differences in titles, descriptions and tags, right?

The main problem I see is that there is no feedback to which we can verify why it's not grouping.

And, the fact that I've submitted these 3 and 4 times, just proves my point - which is no feedback in order to stop resubmitting and get on with it.

And, as far as emailing goes...being it's Friday, I hopefully will get a response next week. But, will it be as generic as "look at the Do's and Don'ts in the help center"? Of which is no answer or feedback.

So, the hair pulling out icon is right here, see it?

Here's what I'm dealing with, as my examples:
https://www.zazzle.com/watercolor_summer_flowers_teal_wrapping_paper-256393978899970221
https://www.zazzle.com/watercolor_summer_flowers_green_wrapping_paper-256636775234294318
https://www.zazzle.com/watercolor_summer_flowers_burgundy_wrapping_paper-256254062273167426
and the one that got away?
https://www.zazzle.com/watercolor_summer_flowers_yellow_wrapping_paper-256386924566457685

I agree with everything you've said. Furthermore, I looked at your wrapping paper and can see no reason whatsoever for that fourth one not being in the group. Nothing but the background color was changed. It reminds me of my own problem with four business cards, three of which were grouped, while the fourth was left out.

Posted: Saturday, August 10, 2019 2:51:07 PM
I'm confused. What is design grouping?
Posted: Saturday, August 10, 2019 4:36:43 PM
ShowerOfRoses wrote:
I'm confused. What is design grouping?


If you goto this product:



on the side you will see different color options.

Design grouping allows for "same" designs with different color options to be grouped together.
Posted: Sunday, August 11, 2019 10:23:03 AM
Emily Lozano wrote:
This feature is so great!

I'd love to be able to design one product (red) and then immediately duplicate it from the last screen in a new color (blue).

I'd like for the second product
1. to be automatically grouped
2. have all the fields pre-populated from the previous product
3. automatically go into the correct store category — this has been VERY glitchy and I've had to set the store category repeatedly.

Thanks!!


I think what your talking about is different from the grouping feature all ready in existence.
Posted: Sunday, August 11, 2019 10:28:51 AM
ZBug wrote:
Emily Lozano wrote:
This feature is so great!

I'd love to be able to design one product (red) and then immediately duplicate it from the last screen in a new color (blue).

I'd like for the second product
1. to be automatically grouped
2. have all the fields pre-populated from the previous product
3. automatically go into the correct store category — this has been VERY glitchy and I've had to set the store category repeatedly.

Thanks!!


I think what your talking about is different from the grouping feature all ready in existence.

I think Emily is definitely talking about grouping but wants it more streamlined.

Emily, all you have to do is choose to Customize the product you've posted for sale, change the color, then post the new product for sale, perhaps changing a few tags or the title or whatever to reflect the new color. The store category is likely to disappear when you do this if the original product has just been created. If you wait a while, maybe an hour, before starting production, the category is likely to stick and will be there in the new products you create.

Posted: Monday, August 12, 2019 4:33:46 PM
I have a question regarding Grouping and Unique Titles.

I understand grouping keeps like products together (same design, different colors.)
I also understand that we need to have unique product names.

I have a line of products that come in 4 colors (Cyan, Magenta, Yellow and Black. CMYK).
If I name all my products with the prefix CYMK Cyan, CMYK Magenta etc will the addition of the product name (mug, bib, pacifier etc) be enough of a distinction to be following the rules?

I don't know what else to add to the titles that wouldn't be off the mark.

Anyone know about this? Here's one of the collections for reference.

Posted: Monday, August 12, 2019 5:29:14 PM
Emily Lozano wrote:
I have a question regarding Grouping and Unique Titles.

I understand grouping keeps like products together (same design, different colors.)
I also understand that we need to have unique product names.

I have a line of products that come in 4 colors (Cyan, Magenta, Yellow and Black. CMYK).
If I name all my products with the prefix CYMK Cyan, CMYK Magenta etc will the addition of the product name (mug, bib, pacifier etc) be enough of a distinction to be following the rules?

I don't know what else to add to the titles that wouldn't be off the mark.

Anyone know about this? Here's one of the collections for reference.



Grouping just groups the same product with the same design but in a color variation. It groups the CMYK Cyan mug with the CMYK Magenta with the CMYK Yellow Mug with the CMYK black mug if the grouping work properly and the white frame is on all four mugs in the same size and same position and the text has the same font and is anchored in the same position. It needn't be the same text. The CMYK cyan mug can have the word Cyan on it and the CMYK magenta mug can have Magenta written on the mug, the same goes for a HEX code. The product will still be in the same group.

The plate will be in a group of their own.

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Posted: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 4:11:25 AM
I’m beginning to think grouping worked better before we had the ability to request it. I just spent time looking and found a number of errors. In one puzzling case, I have four identical pillows except for color wherein they were grouped into two sets of two colors each.

I can’t get Espadrilles to group at all.

And when I see errors, there’s no recourse. Trying to redo the request doesn’t work, and the request form we’ve had for a while appears to go nowhere.

Color me frustrated.
Posted: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 5:27:13 AM
Colorwash wrote:
I’m beginning to think grouping worked better before we had the ability to request it. I just spent time looking and found a number of errors. In one puzzling case, I have four identical pillows except for color wherein they were grouped into two sets of two colors each.

I can’t get Espadrilles to group at all.

And when I see errors, there’s no recourse. Trying to redo the request doesn’t work, and the request form we’ve had for a while appears to go nowhere.

Color me frustrated.


I've felt the same way Colorwash. I've spent days sending requests, I've emailed. In my emails, I got the feeling that it's "no guarantee" which simply means it's never going to. Or, that they're working behind the scenes to tweak it a little bit, with "no guarantee" yet.

Either way, it's something to not fret over...we didn't have it before, and I can move on to something better.
(That's my head talking.) My soul is being uncooperative and a little jealous over the ones that it did work for, which is understandable. I just have to deal with it, push the cart forward, and hope.

Laura

Posted: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 5:40:12 AM
Laura Sweat wrote:
we didn't have it before

But we did. It was done automatically. What we didn't have was something to click on in the dropdown. I've a number of sets created automatically in past months. Didn't you have any?
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