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Posted: Friday, November 09, 2018 7:47:37 AM
For those that feel more of their designs should be grouped or grouped differently, there is a link in this post for a form to fill out. Just in case you guys didn’t see it Grin

https://forum.zazzle.com/news/design_groupings_is_live_across_all_of_zazzle
Posted: Friday, November 09, 2018 8:04:25 AM
Shelli Fitzpatrick wrote:
I like it! I just wish more of my color variations were grouping. Did varying the titles keep them from grouping? oh well, it's nothin' but a thing.

My suspicion is that your suspicion is correct. I checked pillows I had designed just to see how grouping looked and worked. The title was the same for all of them with the color for each placed last. All the colors were represented in the dots. I ought to go back to look at the same pillows I did just a little while ago to see what stopped a lot of them from being grouped.

It would be easier if Zazzle came in here and told us how to ensure our products were properly grouped.
Posted: Friday, November 09, 2018 8:18:46 AM
To group or not to group, that is the question. I've decided the answer for me is a firm 'no'.

Having purged a ton of non-performing color variations from my store in an attempt to follow Zazzle's earlier advice on zRank and MPO, I'm disinclined to head down this path again of making color variations for the same product, grouping or not.

Having only a few left that aren't grouped but could be, the best path for not tanking my already fragile zRank seems to be doing nothing.

Don't get me wrong - it seems like this will be great for customers, very generally speaking. I just don't see any reason to think that I'll personally benefit from it, and I'm done with chasing anything where the personal benefit isn't immediately obvious.
Posted: Friday, November 09, 2018 1:21:37 PM
Out of the new products I've created since the beta started, none of them with image variations (as in several different image files that are variations of the same image) have managed to link. The ones where it's a simple background colour have linked. However, old products that had image variations are mostly linked correctly, apart from the really random rainbow spots / mushroom spots confusion where it sometimes gets it and sometimes doesn't, and the color spots it picks are completely weird (the system really doesn't understand what's going on with these patterns).

My question is how it decides that two images are the same image. I'd prefer to be able to link images, choose the colour spot for each image, and make my own custom design groupings for tricky products. But as we're unlikely to get those tools anytime soon, simply knowing how it does it means I can take steps to help the system work it out. I've done the obvious like making sure nothing else has been changed and only changing the colour in tags/title/description.
Posted: Friday, November 09, 2018 1:26:18 PM
Can someone point me to the answer whether there is a maximum of colors that can be grouped together?

Seeing hit and misses and would also like to know the secret to keeping them all together. Is a tag? Is it glue?
Posted: Friday, November 09, 2018 3:19:11 PM
I found on of my items with color bubbles and then it was gone

Is there something I am suppose to do to participate you all have it rocking! I clicked on multiple items of mine and I do not see anything
Posted: Friday, November 09, 2018 6:19:44 PM
most of my products grouped only partially and did not pick up several others. i had to create multiple feedback forms
Posted: Sunday, November 11, 2018 4:09:44 PM
I like this new feature quite a bit! I noticed one of my products was displaying the Design Theme color dots and then found the Zazzle announcement in the forum. This will be helpful for me because I make a design then think of colorways for it. Great addition. Hopefully, this feature will be available to designers to manage on our own.
Posted: Sunday, November 11, 2018 6:10:40 PM
Harmony wrote:
most of my products grouped only partially and did not pick up several others. i had to create multiple feedback forms


Same here...
Posted: Monday, November 12, 2018 4:23:08 AM
Here's advice given by Aisling that might help in the creation of "colorway" products:
Quote:
Do
• Focus solely on showcasing different color variations of a design
• Use a similar length of text when replacing template text
• Use our updated selection of fonts vs. uploading images with fonts in them


Dont
• Reposition or resize text or images
• Add new images or remove the existing image
• Add or edit text (unless it is template text and isn't the only difference between PIDs)
• Change the font style
• Use images with rasterized text
• Add / Delete / Rename template keys
• Change textures/patterns/objects/cropping that would significantly change the design

Posted: Monday, November 12, 2018 6:07:52 AM
Colorwash wrote:
Here's advice given by Aisling that might help in the creation of "colorway" products:
Quote:
Do
• Focus solely on showcasing different color variations of a design
• Use a similar length of text when replacing template text
• Use our updated selection of fonts vs. uploading images with fonts in them


Dont
• Reposition or resize text or images
• Add new images or remove the existing image
• Add or edit text (unless it is template text and isn't the only difference between PIDs)
• Change the font style
• Use images with rasterized text
• Add / Delete / Rename template keys
• Change textures/patterns/objects/cropping that would significantly change the design



Sorry but that point about new images makes no sense. Almost all the color groups I do have that work properly are groups created by swapping one color image for another.
Posted: Monday, November 12, 2018 6:11:06 AM
Colorwash wrote:
Here's advice given by Aisling that might help in the creation of "colorway" products:
Quote:
Do
• Focus solely on showcasing different color variations of a design
• Use a similar length of text when replacing template text
• Use our updated selection of fonts vs. uploading images with fonts in them


Dont
• Reposition or resize text or images
• Add new images or remove the existing image
• Add or edit text (unless it is template text and isn't the only difference between PIDs)
• Change the font style
• Use images with rasterized text
• Add / Delete / Rename template keys
• Change textures/patterns/objects/cropping that would significantly change the design



Sorry but that point about new images makes no sense. Almost all the color groups I do have that work properly are groups created by swapping one color image for another.

ETA: also as suggested by Z for SEO reasons, I have been trying to vary titles, tags and descriptions as much as possible and that doesn’t seem to affect these groups.

Posted: Monday, November 12, 2018 6:19:10 AM
Is it possible your problem is occurring with text, perhaps changing the font or size for a text template?
Posted: Monday, November 12, 2018 9:11:03 AM
Colorwash wrote:
Is it possible your problem is occurring with text, perhaps changing the font or size for a text template?


I don’t think so because I copy and paste that part to transfer.

Posted: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 7:52:02 AM
Just a thought...

Zazzle already tells us on our product pages how many items share an image/design. I would think scanning those groupings for the coordinating colors used by the designer within the design tool would yield a nice palette that would pick up more of the possible color combinations for more of the products. To me, it seems unnecessarily restrictive to almost exact matches fulfilling all those criteria Aisling lists to get products to group together.

Just my 2-cents!
Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 6:24:33 AM
If we use the product grouping feedback form provided in the Zazzle announcement forum, how long might it take to be processed and will we receive notification if the request to group or fix a grouping has been approved or denied?

Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 6:47:38 AM
Shelli Fitzpatrick wrote:
Colorwash wrote:
Is it possible your problem is occurring with text, perhaps changing the font or size for a text template?


I don’t think so because I copy and paste that part to transfer.



I finally saw a bunch of mine in action and it is hit and miss at the moment. But it also is surprising me and I love it.

This one was one of my surprises. I was playing with photo tuning with a poppy image of mine:
https://www.zazzle.com/red_poppy_infrared_styles_adapted_poster-228032891372922150

As for grouping, resizing seems to throw it off:
https://www.zazzle.com/s/airship+cyclist+tshirts

ETA: I put together a collection of some of my colorways goupings in the show me forum in the thread colorwash started.
Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 7:04:05 AM
vivendulies wrote:
As for grouping, resizing seems to throw it off:
https://www.zazzle.com/s/airship+cyclist+tshirts

Yes, it does. Aisling listed it as something to not do: "Reposition or resize text or images."
Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2018 5:33:44 AM
Has this stopped working? I've a set of products that have now waited 4 days to be grouped. There's nothing to stop the process, given there are no text, image, or other changes besides background color.
Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2018 5:55:22 AM
Same here. I have been waiting for 4 days on new product grouping and so far nothing. I only changed the background color and title a little bit. I wish there was a Do's and Don'ts that made sense. I hate guessing and having it work 1/4 of the time.
Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2018 8:07:20 AM
Have new Groupings been disabled for some reason, or are they just lagging? The last new products of mine that have been grouped are from Saturday morning.
Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2018 3:41:16 PM
There was a bit of a backlog, but things should be getting caught up by tomorrow.

For those of you who don't see an update by then and feel that your products should've been grouped, we ask that you please fill out the Google doc that we announced earlier in the news feed. The team in charge is actively looking over these, so filling out that form will be your best chance at getting your products reviewed.
Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2018 3:49:29 PM
Thanks, Kevin!
Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2018 3:59:33 PM
Kevin wrote:
There was a bit of a backlog, but things should be getting caught up by tomorrow.

For those of you who don't see an update by then and feel that your products should've been grouped, we ask that you please fill out the Google doc that we announced earlier in the news feed. The team in charge is actively looking over these, so filling out that form will be your best chance at getting your products reviewed.


that form only allows two entries. What about multiple products that haven't been grouped at all?

for example...

189200511756169323
189013703613369258
189938064255401858
189020451167575981
189887339569520059
189276864557533931
189228786037779127
Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2018 4:06:59 PM
Jerry Lambert wrote:
Kevin wrote:
There was a bit of a backlog, but things should be getting caught up by tomorrow.

For those of you who don't see an update by then and feel that your products should've been grouped, we ask that you please fill out the Google doc that we announced earlier in the news feed. The team in charge is actively looking over these, so filling out that form will be your best chance at getting your products reviewed.


that form only allows two entries. What about multiple products that haven't been grouped at all?

for example...

189200511756169323
189013703613369258
189938064255401858
189020451167575981
189887339569520059
189276864557533931
189228786037779127


You can use line breaks in the form Grin
Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2018 5:09:18 PM
Kristen Juckiewicz wrote:

You can use line breaks in the form Grin


ah, I see I was reading it wrong, thanks.

and thanks Kevin
Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2018 7:27:41 PM
I have approx 43 wedding collections that are not grouping...each collection has anywhere from 13-40 products so that's somewhere in the neighborhood of 1000 products. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Finding all the ID#s and filling out a form for that many products just isn't feasible. At the moment I'm waiting til the dust settles hoping improvements to the system materialize.

Granted, many of my designs have text in images using some fancier fonts, as well as exactly duplicated text templates using the Zazzle selection..so this may be the cause of items not grouping.But I hope some future rendition of the grouping process will allow for that.

I love the idea of this but wish we had more control in the selection process of what goes into a group. Also, the way this currently works, by making sure titles, etc are exactly the same does go against all previous advice of making them different for SEO purposes....leaving me sorta confused (as usual).
Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2018 7:45:37 PM
Array Stores wrote:
Also, the way this currently works, by making sure titles, etc are exactly the same does go against all previous advice of making them different for SEO purposes....leaving me sorta confused (as usual).


you and me both, I suspect that must be why many of mine that should group are not grouping. I have already filled out about 20 forms and lost track of where I was now... I don't want to report them twice.

I think I will just wait and see if this thing starts working better later.

I like the idea and potential it has!
Posted: Friday, November 16, 2018 12:57:15 AM
Quote:

I love the idea of this but wish we had more control in the selection process of what goes into a group. Also, the way this currently works, by making sure titles, etc are exactly the same does go against all previous advice of making them different for SEO purposes....leaving me sorta confused (as usual).


Where does it say we have to leave the titles the same? I see in the Marketplace where people added the name of the color in the Titles and it was grouped. I even saw some that had a totally different title wording. We really NEED a list of what we can and cannot do because this is stressing me out big time, lol.

It's impossible for me to report all that isn't showing because there are way too many.
Posted: Sunday, November 18, 2018 4:36:08 AM
I figured a week after creating them and a few days after Kevin said the groupings should be caught up that maybe I ought to use the form to report my nine clocks languishing in separate broom closets. I just now used the form to report them and am hoping it works.
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