Design Grouping Feedback 8 pages: 1 2 3 4 5 [6] 7 8
Posted: Thursday, October 25, 2018 3:41:53 PM
rileyandzoe wrote:
One bit of feedback I have that applies to both the grouping and new design tool.. I have recently been designing FEWER color options, trying to be more thoughtful/less spammy about the color choices I show, but also making sure my background colors are editable so the customer can choose any color they want.

While I love this update, I'm afraid between the color grouping and hard-to-find background color picker in the new design tool, customers may think these are the ONLY color options, even when they're infinitely editable.

I think others have already suggested including the background color tool directly on the front end with the template fields. I would love to see that - or at least have it be more obvious in the design tools.

+1 to all that!! That was me! That was me! lol I've been suggesting this forever.

Important to note that the color pickers (text/background), if added to the front end would be BOTH on front end and back end, so Designers don't have to exit Design Mode to change colors. "Added" is the keyword; not moved.
Grin
Posted: Thursday, October 25, 2018 5:01:03 PM
I am also seeing dots indicating color options on products in MP search results. Then when I clicked to see the product, the colorways weren't there at all. - This was on a product that wasn't mine, when I actually went "shopping" as a customer.

Also some of my products are grouped partially - or not as expected based on other examples so am wondering if there is more to it than what is listed (tags matching? nearly identical text descriptions and titles?) or maybe it's just slowly catching things.

A few products also didn't get a colorways icon/dot consistent with the actual color change. There is a slight text color change in the products, and that is what the dots are showing (black vs gray) but the main artwork difference is from gold to pink and that is what should be highlighted as the option as opposed to the subtle text color change.

Again, would love to be able to manually group versions, or at least a way to suggest them subject to review.
Posted: Friday, October 26, 2018 1:59:07 AM
Love the grouping tool from what I’ve seen. I'm more of a publish in one colorway way and let the customer decide to change it if they want sort of zazzler but can appreciate the need for this.

In my dream zazzle design tool I'd have this feature fo'sure.

Though rather than having to make say 4 (or more) different colorways, (i.e 4 or more PIDS) give the designer
the option to choose the background colors prior to publishing and set the maximum say at 8 (or less)

eg

· create the artwork with main background color set

· tick box asking whether you want multiple colorways - yes/no

· enter the HEX numbers (if known) / or choose visual color boxes

· Publish!


Idea Roses Love

SaraH

who wants her cake and eat it in a only publish once yet have several colorways on offer sort of gal



*edited to add that I agree with all those Designers above me*
Posted: Friday, October 26, 2018 3:47:34 AM
mothersdaisy wrote:
Love the grouping tool from what I’ve seen. I'm more of a publish in one colorway way and let the customer decide to change it if they want sort of zazzler but can appreciate the need for this.

In my dream zazzle design tool I'd have this feature fo'sure.

Though rather than having to make say 4 (or more) different colorways, (i.e 4 or more PIDS) give the designer
the option to choose the background colors prior to publishing and set the maximum say at 8 (or less)

eg

· create the artwork with main background color set

· tick box asking whether you want multiple colorways - yes/no

· enter the HEX numbers (if known) / or choose visual color boxes

· Publish!


Idea Roses Love

SaraH

who wants her cake and eat it in a only publish once yet have several colorways on offer sort of gal



*edited to add that I agree with all those Designers above me*


I'm with you here, though I would love to see more. I would love to have an option grouping, next to the sell option, there you open a mode and can save alterations, and instead of just an automated grouping we get a manual grouping, too.

Minimal pairs and suitable for grouping and preferably grouped doesn't end with colors.

Lets just take the gender products like baby items where you not just change the color but change it from boy, girl and child/kid.

Or everything stays the same but you change the occupation or the name of place of origin.


As a side effect the waiting period if and when the automated grouping kicks in can be avoided, for those manually grouped.
Posted: Friday, October 26, 2018 5:14:36 AM
Going off the previous posters with great ideas, I've been envisioning/wishing for something like this:

- Somewhere on the description page before publishing, there is an option to check "prep for colorways" yes/no.
- If yes is clicked, a hex box or color picker comes up. Here the designer selects the color or colors they'd like shown in the color dots that will appear in the MP and product page (because sometimes it will be color from a piece of artwork that is the difference, instead of something already using a color code).
- This information could also be helpful for other options Zazzle could use in the future like a "shop by color" type of thing that I've seen on some retail sites?
- After the product is published, and other versions as well, just like how we add to collections - we could select multiple products at one time and click "create colorways grouping" which would then put the colorways options on each of those items.
- Adding more later could be similar - as long as the other products in the group are selected, along with the new one, and you click the "create colorways group", it will be added.
- Removing products from the colorways - maybe when editing the product, a "detach from colorways grouping" checkmark is available.
Posted: Friday, October 26, 2018 10:07:47 AM
I've picked all kinds of products in the marketplace where I thought color variations might be likely such as patterned pillows or monogrammed phone cases, but no matter where I looked, no matter whether choosing popular or newest (thinking it might show there), I've seen not a hint of those little color circles. Nothing.

The only thing I can figure is that it's an A/B test and I'm not in the group seeing it. Without seeing a goodly number of examples, I've no idea if it's something I want to do, and if so, how I want to go about it.
Posted: Friday, October 26, 2018 12:34:55 PM
Colorwash wrote:
I've picked all kinds of products in the marketplace where I thought color variations might be likely such as patterned pillows or monogrammed phone cases, but no matter where I looked, no matter whether choosing popular or newest (thinking it might show there), I've seen not a hint of those little color circles. Nothing.

The only thing I can figure is that it's an A/B test and I'm not in the group seeing it. Without seeing a goodly number of examples, I've no idea if it's something I want to do, and if so, how I want to go about it.


Just for you colorwash:

These photos are pulled from this SEARCH and this Envelope Liner. If you click the circle, it changes the color to that one. When on the product page, it also changes the collection to match the product color chosen.

SEARCH



Envelope Liner
Posted: Friday, October 26, 2018 12:48:43 PM
I wouldn't mind being able to force group some things, but I'm not sure how I feel about just choosing colors to change background.

That's going to punish people like me who make my graphics and take the time to change up colors and make new variations. Just to compete, it would force me to use less colors in the graphics to increase the versatility of the background options.

I know it's easy to just republish stuff in a different background/font color, but it at least takes time. If I'm competing with someone who gets 8 variations in the click of one button and only needs to come up with 1 title/description and 1 set of tags, I'll be buried.

Don't get it twisted, I'd adapt (as most people would) but it would change the game and change my design methods.

I'd definitely have to see how this played out to decide for sure though.
Posted: Friday, October 26, 2018 2:08:40 PM
Colorwash wrote:
I've picked all kinds of products in the marketplace where I thought color variations might be likely such as patterned pillows or monogrammed phone cases, but no matter where I looked, no matter whether choosing popular or newest (thinking it might show there), I've seen not a hint of those little color circles. Nothing.

The only thing I can figure is that it's an A/B test and I'm not in the group seeing it. Without seeing a goodly number of examples, I've no idea if it's something I want to do, and if so, how I want to go about it.


Just go to Amazon and check out their grouping. Actually most clothing online stores have some sort of color grouping. Zazzle always has had it for shirt colors, hat colors and two tone mugs.

New is grouping in the design area, which I think is great. Love Even though I'm still waiting to see my stuff grouped ... Crying
Posted: Friday, October 26, 2018 3:17:21 PM
I've seen people's screenshots of it, and of course I've seen the concept used on any number of sites where a product comes in various colors, but again, none of it is showing up for me when I look in Zazzle's marketplace. I want to see the product, change the product, inspect the product's page, but I guess I'll have to wait until it's more fully implemented.
Posted: Friday, October 26, 2018 3:56:45 PM
vivendulies wrote:
New is grouping in the design area, which I think is great. Love Even though I'm still waiting to see my stuff grouped ... Crying


It is great! I'd like to see it in our storefronts one day as well.

Mine aren't really grouping either. Or at least not like they should. Have you checked all the template fields and such to make sure they match?

I'm hoping the grouping algorithm still being worked on...
Posted: Friday, October 26, 2018 4:19:16 PM
Fharrynland wrote:
vivendulies wrote:
New is grouping in the design area, which I think is great. Love Even though I'm still waiting to see my stuff grouped ... Crying


It is great! I'd like to see it in our storefronts one day as well.

Mine aren't really grouping either. Or at least not like they should. Have you checked all the template fields and such to make sure they match?

I'm hoping the grouping algorithm still being worked on...


If you go back to page one in this thread, I made a few samples especially for grouping where nothing changed but colors. I have old stuff, where I changed nothing but the image in another color and from what I've seen to some extend it has worked not only for the background image but colors.

In theory I should see some grouping but apparently like colorwash I'm not yet part of this new development.

I'm not sure if the system picks up on color varitions as complex as these:





But like every color variation I ever done, I always create the first and then start with the customize button, so that everything stays the same from position to wording, and title, description and keywords, since I want to make sure they are close together in search results and you can put them side by side on the shelf and they look the same aside from colors, because I had groups in mind long before the feature was introduced.

It is great that we can pull these together at least in collections, but the limited number of collections isn't exactly an invite to sub-collect little groups and four is not enough for a collection any way. I don't expect at this stage that this group has a chance to be grouped. Maybe next year when we hopefully have a manual option to group:




Posted: Friday, October 26, 2018 4:19:49 PM
@Scott - I'm probably pushing it, but asking anyway lol... is there a parameter to call the buttons (inactive, even; just a graphic color swatch) in RSS Feeds?
Posted: Friday, October 26, 2018 4:48:57 PM
Fharrynland wrote:

Mine aren't really grouping either. Or at least not like they should. Have you checked all the template fields and such to make sure they match?


I found a set, where I actually only changed the background color. So at the very least these three should group:



Posted: Friday, October 26, 2018 4:56:26 PM
vivendulies wrote:

I'm not sure if the system picks up on color varitions as complex as these


Some of your products are grouping just not these for some reason.
Posted: Friday, October 26, 2018 5:07:51 PM
I feel like it takes more time. Being deliberately vague bc IDK much. Lol I have some with 3/4 color one day and then 4/4 the next, some not grouped, and others all grouped. All created one after the other before contest deadline.

I'm not remaking anything right now.
Posted: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 12:09:49 PM
So, I have these 8 pillows that are all the same except for color and which I created only to see how "colorways" works:

https://www.zazzle.com/white_monogram_and_white_stripes_on_dove_gray_throw_pillow-189999952810551459

No color variations on the product page, and after I found one of the pillows in the marketplace, I saw no variations there either, so is this thing actually working at all? Is there a trick to getting the variations to show up?
Posted: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 2:00:35 PM
Colorwash wrote:
So, I have these 8 pillows that are all the same except for color and which I created only to see how "colorways" works:

https://www.zazzle.com/white_monogram_and_white_stripes_on_dove_gray_throw_pillow-189999952810551459

No color variations on the product page, and after I found one of the pillows in the marketplace, I saw no variations there either, so is this thing actually working at all? Is there a trick to getting the variations to show up?

The 'trick' is to click on one that's matched! Not always an easy task!

That "dove gray" appears to not be matched, but the other colors are. I can see it on the red one.

https://www.zazzle.com/white_monogram_and_white_stripes_on_red_throw_pillow-189849749524550131

I'm only paying minimal attention, but I seem to remember I have a paler color like that which isn't working, while the others are.
Posted: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 1:51:37 AM
Colorwash wrote:
So, I have these 8 pillows that are all the same except for color and which I created only to see how "colorways" works:

https://www.zazzle.com/white_monogram_and_white_stripes_on_dove_gray_throw_pillow-189999952810551459

No color variations on the product page, and after I found one of the pillows in the marketplace, I saw no variations there either, so is this thing actually working at all? Is there a trick to getting the variations to show up?


Apparently not everyone sees the grouping. I don't but I have the confirmation that some of mine show grouping see Fharrynlands answer here in this thread.
Posted: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 2:32:44 AM
I can't see groupings, not on my products and not on anyone else's. It's apparently yet another beta thing.

I suppose it doesn't matter all that much because most of my design work doesn't lend itself all that well to color variation, and yet, it would be nice to figure out how to do it for those rare occasions when it would be suitable.
Posted: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 10:17:20 AM
I have made several products in different colors during the last week to see how the grouping works. I noticed that products that have the color gray included are not always grouped with products with the exact same design but with other colors.
Posted: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 11:08:03 AM
A question I have about the grouping. How does the marketplace ranking affect the PIDS?

e.g. - If the red colorway sold really well and was high up in search yet the green colorway hardly ever sold ie. lower down in search.

Now that they’re combined/grouped - does their ranking in the marketplace stay with the best seller or lowers itself to the non sellers?

Can anyone point me to an answer?
Posted: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 3:01:26 PM
mothersdaisy wrote:
A question I have about the grouping. How does the marketplace ranking affect the PIDS?

e.g. - If the red colorway sold really well and was high up in search yet the green colorway hardly ever sold ie. lower down in search.

Now that they’re combined/grouped - does their ranking in the marketplace stay with the best seller or lowers itself to the non sellers?

Can anyone point me to an answer?


Since I would be still interested, that good seller stay in focus, I'd have the red show up at the higher ranking position. But I can't tell you how zazzle solved this, I just highly suspect, that good sellers still show up front grouping or not.
Posted: Thursday, November 01, 2018 6:06:13 AM
On mobile, the color dots appear under the Customize Button. The user has to scroll to see them. It would be more convenient for users if the buttons were directly below the Product image, just above the price.

I'm on Android; not the app.
Posted: Thursday, November 08, 2018 6:39:20 PM
For those that are new, here are some examples of Product Grouping:
On the product page: https://www.zazzle.com/256813258496800200
On a search results page: https://www.zazzle.com/s/little+man

Edit: this feature is now turned on for everyone.
Posted: Thursday, November 08, 2018 6:44:36 PM
Scott wrote:
For those that are new, here are some examples of Product Grouping:
On the product page: https://www.zazzle.com/256813258496800200
On a search results page: https://www.zazzle.com/s/little+man


I like it. I like it a lot.

Posted: Thursday, November 08, 2018 7:12:15 PM
Scott wrote:
For those that are new, here are some examples of Product Grouping:
On the product page: https://www.zazzle.com/256813258496800200
On a search results page: https://www.zazzle.com/s/little+man

Edit: this feature is now turned on for everyone.


Thanks Scott. Sorry for asking in the other thread. I forgot all about this one.
Posted: Thursday, November 08, 2018 8:14:49 PM
I like it! I just wish more of my color variations were grouping. Did varying the titles keep them from grouping? oh well, it's nothin' but a thing.
Posted: Thursday, November 08, 2018 9:24:32 PM
This is so cool ! Fantastic addition to the site !

I would assume that the reason some of my color variations are not showing is because I didn't use the same tags.. or something similar ...
I will need to figure this out as I go.
But overall I thinks its great.

Zazzle certainly does have the best "bells and whistles" for us designers, out of any of the POD sites out there....

Grin
Posted: Friday, November 09, 2018 5:36:25 AM
I'm freshly back from looking at pillows where I noticed it was very hit-and-miss in the marketplace, some of them showing color spots, but a huge number apparently not registering at all as being color variations, instead showing multiple pillows with the same design (and title) with color changes. Instead of one pillow with, say, 5 color spots, there were 5 pillows. The algorithm seems to be giving anemic results.
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