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Posted: Friday, October 19, 2018 1:25:39 AM
Hey Designers,

Please feel free to share your feedback on the Design Grouping, here.

Please note that at the moment, this is also an A/B test release, so not everyone will get this at the same time.

Your feedback on this new feature will be much appreciated. Please keep this about the Design Grouping only. Any posts off topic, including "+1" posts (cuz that ain't constructive feedback) will be deleted without notice.

Thanks so much for your help and input. We look forward to seeing your comments. Roses
Posted: Friday, October 19, 2018 5:39:01 AM
Hi James, very excited about both new testings.

Quote:
The best part: you don’t have to do anything! Our PhD’s in computational imaging developed these algorithms and run them systematically against the millions of products on Zazzle, so you don’t have to spend countless hours (or days!) doing all of this manual work grouping products yourselves. Just keep the creative juices flowing, the new designs coming, and maximize your success for the holidays – now with unlimited color variations!


This statement "computational imaging developed these algorithms and run them systematically against the millions of products on Zazzle"

Questions

* Presumably the similar designs the system is finding are from the same designer?
* So this means the system searches for similar designs and grabs there color combinations to add to the color swatch correct?
* What if the designs the system is finding products which have similar text templates but the design of the products found are a bit different?

This statement so you don’t have to spend countless hours (or days!) doing all of this manual work grouping products yourselves.

Questions

Could you clarify what you mean "grouping products yourselves"?

This statement and maximize your success for the holidays – now with unlimited color variations! .

Question

I may have answered the question above, but are you saying the "system" creates these new color palettes? Which means we only need to create one product instead of six with different color combinations?

Thank you Roses
Posted: Friday, October 19, 2018 6:12:51 AM
LM Gildersleeve wrote:
Hi James, very excited about both new testings.

This statement "computational imaging developed these algorithms and run them systematically against the millions of products on Zazzle"

Questions

* Presumably the similar designs the system is finding are from the same designer?


Yes.
LM Gildersleeve wrote:
* So this means the system searches for similar designs and grabs there color combinations to add to the color swatch correct?

Yes
LM Gildersleeve wrote:
* What if the designs the system is finding products which have similar text templates but the design of the products found are a bit different?

Will get back to you on this.

LM Gildersleeve wrote:
This statement so you don’t have to spend countless hours (or days!) doing all of this manual work grouping products yourselves.

Questions

Could you clarify what you mean "grouping products yourselves"?

This statement and maximize your success for the holidays – now with unlimited color variations! .

Question

I may have answered the question above, but are you saying the "system" creates these new color palettes? Which means we only need to create one product instead of six with different color combinations?

Thank you Roses


You won't be expected to do the grouping yourself on the backend. Its being done by magical algorithms. And no, the system will not create color variations for you. This just refers to any color variations that already exist. Roses
Posted: Friday, October 19, 2018 6:26:44 AM
Will it pick up changes using only the "background color" setting?

For example I have some designs that are mostly gold, but I've set it up so that the customer could change the background color AND have made just a couple variations using what I guess would be the most popular/expected colors people would want.

The only thing I changed is the background color and the keywords regarding color. Will the grouping tool pick this up?
Posted: Friday, October 19, 2018 7:21:44 AM
Are there products on the site that already have this? I checked a couple of mine that I thought were most likely to group and they are not grouping yet.

I assume they will since the only difference with them is Zazzle background color?

Posted: Friday, October 19, 2018 7:51:28 AM
If several products contain the same design, but different background colors they'll be grouped together. This is one of my favorite parts of this new feature.

There are products already on the site that have this, but I don't believe this feature is turned on just yet.
Posted: Friday, October 19, 2018 8:02:30 AM
I don't see an announcement for this feature just yet, so in the meantime here's some screenshots:

This designer uploaded an image of a smiley face on a handful of different products, with the only difference being the background color. They are grouped together on the search results page AND the product page:



Posted: Friday, October 19, 2018 8:06:38 AM
So, how does this effect Google? I mean is each color still an individual product page that Google would index? Lots of people search certain things by color, so say I have a navy blue and a royal blue, if a person searches either Google or Zazzle by color, what happens?
Posted: Friday, October 19, 2018 8:24:32 AM
Will it work for those of us who work primarily with multiple layers? Might it pick up on only the top layer if it picks up on anything at all? For instance, here's a basic example of layering where the layers are thus:
text
reindeer
tree topper
Christmas tree
(plus blue background)

Will it ignore the text and go to the reindeer? Or will it "consider" all layers?
Posted: Friday, October 19, 2018 11:04:06 AM
I have a line of products where there (should be) exactly the same number of Products in each of 4 color groups. After one color version was created, the other 3 color variations were created from existing versions. All (most?) using consistent HEX codes for background colors in each color scheme. Should all be defaulted to the same Product options. To the customer, they should all appear the same except for background/text colors. Behind the scenes, they're very close to the same - 3 color variations use 1 pattern graphic + smaller graphics + text, and the 4th color variation uses a differently colored graphic + smaller graphics + text.

On some Products, all 4 versions show - and it's very cool - and on others, 0, 1, or 2 color variations show.

Questions: Is that something still being tweaked? A hybrid indexing thing? Are we wait-and-see on that? Or do the designs have to be identical in every way except coloring?

Feedback: In Chrome Incognito (latest), clicking a different color button is jumpy. Would be nice to see that smoothed out.

Sidebar: The functionality would be really great for bringing the Text and Background color palettes on the front end...

For those not seeing it, try logging out, incognito, or a different browser. You may catch it that way. You may be stuck with it afterwards though. IDK how that works.
Posted: Friday, October 19, 2018 11:22:27 AM
I never just changed the background color. Bu I have series which best be grouped an show as one with color options.


Before SVG mini series looked like this

Every design color came in a seperate image files.


I would love to group these color variation like the smiley button.

With the new SVG options, I probably wouldn't prepare color variations, but in order to see if grouping works with this I did a mini series:



Unfortunately it doesn't ... at least not in my account.

I never just changed the background color, so I don't have a sample. But the way it is done is great. Now let us group and pick the representing color manually and make color variations one product with color options.

Smile

Posted: Friday, October 19, 2018 11:28:12 AM
At the risk of being labeled negative, I have to say that I fear this is going to encourage MP spam by those who make every design in 99 colors. (Not saying that's always a bad thing, but I've seen many bad things in the MP that are only changed color; it's subjective, I know.) Those variations may not rise to the top, but more Products aren't necessarily better. I'm sure I don't have to get into those reasons. I hope Zazzle has a plan for preventing that?

At the risk of having the engineering team put me on the bad server - borrowing that from @TheArtOfVikki ;) - are there plans to do this will patterns? As an example, the same design elements but with different background patterns, whether by way of graphics or on site.
Posted: Friday, October 19, 2018 11:38:29 AM
RoyK_is_a_She wrote:
At the risk of being labeled negative, I have to say that I fear this is going to encourage MP spam by those who make every design in 99 colors. (Not saying that's always a bad thing, but I've seen many bad things in the MP that are only changed color; it's subjective, I know.) Those variations may not rise to the top, but more Products aren't necessarily better. I'm sure I don't have to get into those reasons. I hope Zazzle has a plan for preventing that?


But these 99 color variations present themselves as one, which doesn't result in endless rows of one design across two or more pages in the marketplace, So spammer can create series to their hearts content without negatively impacting other designers.

That't just the beauty of giving color variations and other mini series vertical options.
Posted: Friday, October 19, 2018 11:48:32 AM
vivendulies wrote:
But these 99 color variations present themselves as one, which doesn't result in endless rows of one design across two or more pages in the marketplace, So spammer can create series to their hearts content without negatively impacting other designers.

I didn't see where that was the case - it's still 99 Products, live on the site.

If I missed it, then I stand relieved. If not, might you clarify, @Zazzle?
Posted: Friday, October 19, 2018 11:49:28 AM
I liked this idea up to the part about automatic groupings. It could be great to group variations of a design... but I don't trust the system to understand what is and isn't a variation of the design. I want the work. I want to spend the time to group the products. I'd rather do that and have it be right.

Outside of that, is this only intended for colour variations? Or will it work for spots and stripes. Owl and fox.
Posted: Friday, October 19, 2018 11:54:51 AM
RoyK_is_a_She wrote:
On some Products, all 4 versions show - and it's very cool - and on others, 0, 1, or 2 color variations show.

Adding to this from my post above, it looks to me like the issue with those not showing as grouped is where I changed the monogram. Where I consistently use A, the products are grouped. Where I switched to any other letter, not grouped.

That's unfortunate for me, because I often switch up the monogram or name, and under this groupings deal, it'll look like the tool isn't working properly and/or I didn't design in those other colors.

So, @Polenth, I would have to say spots/stripes and owl/fox aren't going to work. I would like to see the same functionality for pattern/background switches though.
Posted: Friday, October 19, 2018 11:59:32 AM
RoyK_is_a_She wrote:
vivendulies wrote:
But these 99 color variations present themselves as one, which doesn't result in endless rows of one design across two or more pages in the marketplace, So spammer can create series to their hearts content without negatively impacting other designers.

I didn't see where that was the case - it's still 99 Products, live on the site.

If I missed it, then I stand relieved. If not, might you clarify, @Zazzle?


This is one of my biggest color variation series:




Currently each is a single product page and if you look for "smoking dead cowboy" (Edited thanks to Scott correcting the search terms) they appear in a row next to each other. If I could group them, which I would love to do, I'd pick one color as my primory and the other color variations are represented by colored dots under my color choice, which might be replaced by customers favorite color choices, so the ones people actually buy.

So all you see is


Smokin' DEAD cowboy
[row of colored dots here]
by vivendulies


Instead of the row of the same smoking dead cowboy.

Every designs is approved, so zazzle could insist on grouping design series and not only colors but minimal pairs like variations with occupations, where the occupation is in a flyout under neath the primary product image.
Posted: Friday, October 19, 2018 12:02:50 PM
RoyK_is_a_She wrote:
At the risk of having the engineering team put me on the bad server - borrowing that from @TheArtOfVikki ;) - are there plans to do this will patterns? As an example, the same design elements but with different background patterns, whether by way of graphics or on site.
We don't hate questions. Ever.

As for your question about patterns, the 'little man baby shower invitation' is a good example that demonstrates this - https://www.zazzle.com/256665524070890390

A few comments:
- I believe it does take some amount of time before the indexer picks up the new designs, then internal systems decide whether or not to group similar items together, and then display the color swatches on the product page/search results page. I am unsure of the total time or resources involved, but there may be an additional delay on top of the normal indexing. So if anyone has created products today to test this new feature just know that you may need to wait an extra day or two or...soemthing. I'll see if I can get better info on this.

- It's been a massive undertaking to work with so many customized designs on the marketplace and decide what should and shouldn't be grouped. I am sure that tweaking will continue, but what we have now seems to be working nicely.
Posted: Friday, October 19, 2018 12:04:18 PM
Posted: Friday, October 19, 2018 12:06:33 PM
I largely stopped making color variations after hearing so many complaints about the practice. Still some remnants in my shop, but if I were to do it now, I would be more likely to put them on different products.

Do I understand correctly that the grouping only applies to color variations of the design on the same product type?

If this means the individual color variations won't be hogging up a bunch of slots in search results, then I'm all for it.
Posted: Friday, October 19, 2018 12:17:15 PM
RoyK_is_a_She wrote:
I often switch up the monogram or name


I do the same
Posted: Friday, October 19, 2018 12:50:31 PM
When products are grouped in the marketplace, will only one specific product show in the marketplace or will the product that is closest to the search show?

For example, lets say I have a black business card and a white, blue and red version. Now if the customer searcher for "plain white business card", will the white one show up or a specific one chosen to be the thumbnail in the marketplace for that group?
Posted: Friday, October 19, 2018 12:54:52 PM
I notice that switching the colors is not updating the product image on my flat card wedding programs and fan wedding programs, but the color does switch on table cards and stickers.

I wanted to mention it in case it's a bug? Maybe it's just not finished grouping my wedding programs yet?
Posted: Friday, October 19, 2018 1:33:16 PM
I'm now seeing this feature implemented in the MP and it looks great. I think this is really an improvement. To the MP, as well as for more design and exposure possibilities for designers, and choice making for the customer.

Well thought off and done Smile
Posted: Friday, October 19, 2018 2:11:47 PM
Colorwash wrote:
Will it work for those of us who work primarily with multiple layers? Might it pick up on only the top layer if it picks up on anything at all? For instance, here's a basic example of layering where the layers are thus:
text
reindeer
tree topper
Christmas tree
(plus blue background)

Will it ignore the text and go to the reindeer? Or will it "consider" all layers?


I want to know this too, since I use lots of layers in my designs.
The cards below are a good example, in each of them the background pattern is a different file, wouldn't it be nice if the customer could see all the color variations available for them (all 9 of them Grin )

https://www.zazzle.com/lime_green_pink_diamonds_ikat_pattern-161784557102447039
https://www.zazzle.com/mint_coral_diamonds_ikat_pattern-161404702600077991
https://www.zazzle.com/green_blue_diamonds_ikat_pattern-161450013158818601
Posted: Friday, October 19, 2018 2:20:24 PM
I created eight color variations in order to see if the grouping works with several layers and background variations:

Jumping with an umbrella (SVG) VZS2



(Playing around with color variations to check the new grouping function.)


This design uses one SVG-file copied four times.

I would love to group these two as a dishwasher magnet pair:


Posted: Friday, October 19, 2018 2:42:21 PM
I just found some of my stuff that has been grouped...I.LOVE.THIS. Love Roses
Posted: Friday, October 19, 2018 2:50:45 PM
Is it up to us to create multiples of the same design in varying colors for a single product? For whatever reason, I read the description to mean Zazzle would change the background color. It's now looking like an enormous amount of work to, say, create the same t-shirt over and over and yet over again.
Posted: Friday, October 19, 2018 3:39:43 PM
I am having trouble finding any of mine, even incognitio. oh well maybe later.
Posted: Friday, October 19, 2018 3:46:53 PM
Colorwash wrote:
Is it up to us to create multiples of the same design in varying colors for a single product? For whatever reason, I read the description to mean Zazzle would change the background color. It's now looking like an enormous amount of work to, say, create the same t-shirt over and over and yet over again.


You don't have to. But I think have a few variation never hurt. Even with SVG a few variations shows the capabilites of a design. So far I didn't like to do it because it clogs the marketplace as well as our shops. But when color variations and minimal pairs can be grouped, I'm happy to make a few color variations and I hope with SVG they add a "my color choice" to the little color circles, which opens the editor tool.
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