. . . slides out the thread to go see what designs I need to go delete first.

She's kidding. Or rather I'm kidding. Everybody, you get that, right all?
Disney is infamous for getting nasty, when it comes to their copyrights.

It doesn't mean that the little guy isn't extremely vulnerable because of all those changes and looses most of the control over his or her copyrights.

And don' forget, there are some who look at it very differently and/or vehemently disagree.

I tell you as I see it and I don't hide mine or delete mine yet. But don't blame me one way or the other.

You can initiate a collaboration, which will according to zazzle new terms give the initiator extensive rights by the end of this months, if nothing changes until then.
Will there be hordes initiating collaboration? Highly doubtful!
Do we know one way or the other. Sadly no, because we don't get notified when somebody initiates a collaboration with our work.

Drink a cup of coffee and print out the terms, take a piece of paper and study it for yourself with marker and notes.

Then look at zazzles site, take your experience with the company into account and the internet in general with a cool head and make up your mind on your own.

Voice your opinion when you like something and make your concerns heard, if you don't like something and if you think your opinion can be helpful to others to form an opinion, share it.


Nothing more nothing less.

Oh, this is all nuts. I am sad. I don't want to have to delete all of my hard work on Zazzle, but I feel like I must now--as so many others are doing.



It will all be gone by Nov 22nd unless I hear from Zazzle that they're repenting of this.

I would strongly urge anyone with concerns to HIDE and NOT delete. I don't know the outcome here with the terms, but despite that Z has the power to reinstate deleted Products now and again, I doubt they will do it if we are the ones deleting. And I'm 100-percent sure Pinterest won't reinstate anything.

My concern with the terms isn't that Zazzle intended to give away my works; it's that the terms aren't clearly defined; they are clearly ambiguous. If they're rewritten properly, many will be able to honor their asset licensing arrangements.

Some points -

- Launching collaboration across the MP doesn't make the new terms effective. We are currently working under the pre-Nov. 22 terms.

- Having two people customize a Product isn't actually any different than one person doing the same RIGHT NOW, UNDER THE CURRENT TERMS.

- The manner in which our art is stolen today is no different than a month ago. Maybe your concern is the mindset of thieves knowing download is a thing on some parts of Zazzle now - I can't argue that - but don't do anything you can't undo, unless you're 100% sure you're leaving.

If we didn't know about Create or the new terms and downloading and "this mess," today would be a fine day to make sales. Let it be that, if you can. I'm aiming to earn as much as I can before 22nd forces my hand because trying to interpret the terms yet again and figure out intentions for the nth time seems a waste of time until we get well-constructed terms and answers.

Throwing more pennies in the fountain without a disclaimer because you're an adult, and we shouldn't have to tell you it's dangerous to make toast in the bathtub. ;)

And now going to make a pillow for a nice older lady who can't figure out the Design Tool.

This is actually quite true - the manner in which art is stolen hasn't changed - but my biggest concern is that Zazzle has actually, through this feature, legitimized it... I can go to any design and send myself an email to collaborate... which then grants me the following

EACH COLLABORATOR HEREBY GRANTS TO THE COLLABORATION INITIATOR A NONEXCLUSIVE, PERPETUAL, WORLDWIDE, SUBLICENSABLE AND TRANSFERABLE RIGHT AND LICENSE TO USE, COPY, REPRODUCE, PREPARE DERIVATIVE WORKS OF, MODIFY, PUBLICLY DISPLAY, PERFORM AND DISTRIBUTE ASSETS AS CONTAINED IN THE COLLABORATIVE CONTENT ON THE SITE.

so this appears to allows me to grant myself a license to anything on this site just by going there and offering myself a collaboration..... without even ever informing the original content producer that it happened.

I might feel better about this if I had to *accept* a collaboration and then these term would kick in, but that doesn't look like what is happening. I might even feel a bit better if the right was *only* for Zazzle related uses, but it isn't... it's listed as worldwide, sublicensable and transferable... Hi there pirates, come on in, we've just made it completely legal to take our designs....

From what I can tell the 'create' tool that allows downloads can be avoided. Regular market place items will not be downloadable - and your image library is not accessible to anyone, so deleting all of it now may be premature.

That's my concern, as well. But TODAY, those terms aren't effective. And while I'm *very* concerned about the mindset of people seeing the juxtaposition of "download and do anything" with Marketplace Products, TODAY, it's 'just' a collaboration in Webster's definition and not Cornell's law dictionary.


People can steal digital assets today the same way they did a month or six months ago. There is a vulnerability, yes, but the risk TODAY is no different than yesterday. The mindset TODAY is different, in my opinion, but not the RISK.

And I don't mean to make light of Viven's demonstration. Everything I saw in my test collab was noted in her posts. Plus, the Designer Attribution sidebar no longer appears when something comes out of Saved Designs, and that's concerning.

I am NOT saying "don't be concerned." I'm saying "proceed with caution; slippery rocks ahead."

Deleting is permanent (even if it exists somewhere in the cyber world nearly always). And... ya know... Mark's tool is throwing errors, and we all want to make sure that doesn't happen, right? ;)

The actual new TOS does not protect MP products..regardless by what is promised here on the forum by a well intended admin.
Whatever is written in that document is what counts.
If it clearly states that our MP products will NOT be at risk and how..yes then...no point in leaving.

I did some damage by deleting a chunk of my library images.
Nothing that can be easily repaired...although not deal breaker.
I still have the files on my external.

if you feel you must protect and get ready ahead of time (as I do) then hide things, don't delete yet...

you can always delete in masse later if necessary

And I appreciate this very much because it makes people think for themselves.

Not what I'm saying. The collaboration carries through. The thing remains in the chat to be called upon at any time. The initiator is still the initiator. And because zazzle has unspecified transfer in in the current terms, this part will not change at all with the new term. And I think it is a key element which makes this fight not clear cut.

When zazzle decided to sell on amazon they made use of the transferable license. No prior consent necessary. We have precedent with this already.

Undefined transferable always makes me nervous to some extend, which is why I take a mental note with the slightest changes.

But I'm NOT AN EXPERT! It's an opinion. I mean it, REALLY when in doubt ask your attorney. And whatever somebody does, thinks or not does, he or she will have to live with the consequences, whether I voice my concerns intensely or not.

same here

"in progress" starts today but with no way to delete or end it BIG can of worms.

where is that part of the terms that talk about in progress?

thank you Vivendulies