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Beh Kwang Teik
Posted: Friday, July 15, 2011 8:36:32 AM
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Hi, I'm new here and i wonder whether i can add tags like "peaceful" and "sleep" to products with baby animal sleeping?
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Posted: Friday, July 15, 2011 8:46:12 AM

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Yes, of course; it's related to the design - and that's the key with keywords/tags (pun intended!).

Steve.
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Posted: Thursday, July 28, 2011 9:18:16 AM
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Ok, I noticed something, and I'd like your opinion whether this is related to tag spam. I have noticed a few products that use unrelated words in the title, more specifically, obscene or slang words. I'm assuming it's more to have their products in search engine results than zazzle search results, but it's annoying. I'm also wondering if the ratings system reflects on the title of the product, as well as the product itself.
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Posted: Thursday, August 04, 2011 7:45:15 PM
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Bueller? Bueller?

Is there anyone that can address my concerns, or is this a dead thread?
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Posted: Friday, August 05, 2011 4:11:57 AM
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Sorry it was Bueller's day off ..

You would have to contact Zazzle support about that one .. good catch though
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Posted: Friday, August 05, 2011 4:13:03 AM
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Ricaso_Graphics wrote:
Sorry it was Bueller's day off ..


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Posted: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:57:41 AM
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Hehe, thanks for the suggestion.Grin
Juanel
Posted: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 11:59:12 PM

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Dear fellow Zazzlers,
would you call it tag-spamming if I wrote my tags in let's say,... two different languages?

I'm just curious because I am German and like to have my tags both in English and German Happy

Greetings,
Juanel Love
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Posted: Thursday, August 18, 2011 1:26:45 AM
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Juanel wrote:
Dear fellow Zazzlers,
would you call it tag-spamming if I wrote my tags in let's say,... two different languages?
Love

There is nothing wrong with this IMO, even more so as the zazzle auto translation distorts tags into things nobody would ever think of (entertaining, but useless). As long as the tags are related to your design, I can’t see how it would be spamming.
I did this too but gave up after a while because nobody from Germany seemed to look anyway...
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Posted: Friday, August 19, 2011 12:27:06 AM

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greendeer wrote:

There is nothing wrong with this IMO, even more so as the zazzle auto translation distorts tags into things nobody would ever think of (entertaining, but useless). As long as the tags are related to your design, I can’t see how it would be spamming.
I did this too but gave up after a while because nobody from Germany seemed to look anyway...

Thank you greendeer Roses
My tags are always design related because I find it really annoying when I'm looking for something and get designs / search results that have nothing to do with my search... and I suppose customers feel similar. Happy
Maybe Germans don't look on zazzle as much because they have their own "zazzle-like" websites Smile *guesswork*. But not me! I love Zazzle and I'm loyal Love
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Posted: Sunday, August 28, 2011 6:27:44 AM
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"Ditto" to what malibuitalian wrote for me as well. I try to be careful, and sometimes when I have customized my own product I have accidentally left some old tag words in. Let me know if you find something like that of mine because I sure agree about the wrong tags when I am shopping on Zazzle myself.


malibuitalian wrote:
ruralfrance wrote:
Me too! Though I must admit I'm probably guilty of getting tags mixed up sometimes when I customize a product. If anyone notices any they're welcome to point it out! I've seen others do that - totally the wrong title and description as well.
UGH! I have totally done this too!!

Especially when I'm creating products late at night and falling asleep at the computer or become distracted by the kids - so ditto for me.

I DO NOT intentionally put the wrong tags but I am sure there are plenty of strays out there. Feel free to tell me! One thing that would help (if is possible, at all) would be if the tag box was bigger so we can see all the tags at a glance when creating the design. This way, if you inadvertently copied and pasted the wrong one you will see it right away (hopefully).
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I thought I was being careful making up my new products (am a newbie) and realized I'd made mistakes when adding some Zazzle modules to a squidoo article and had a couple of irrelevants came up for my search word. Sad

Maybe a good way to see if you have them wrongly tagged is occasionally do a search in your store for your style. E.g. for me I'm doing antique lace and linen images so I type in Point de venise, Cantu or Paisley and see what comes up. It helped me spot a few yesterday.

Not to hijack, but is there a spell check for your store or items text, that does the whole lot at once? Or a even a bulk edit option by search word, like if you spot a typo in a title and want them all to come up in a list even if different types of products. Idea
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I thought I was being careful making up my new products (am a newbie) and realized I'd made mistakes when adding some Zazzle modules to a squidoo article and had a couple of irrelevants came up for my search word. Sad

Maybe a good way to see if you have them wrongly tagged is occasionally do a search in your store for your style. E.g. for me I'm doing antique lace and linen images so I type in Point de venise, Cantu or Paisley and see what comes up. It helped me spot a few yesterday.

Not to hijack, but is there a spell check for your store or items text, that does the whole lot at once? Or a even a bulk edit option by search word, like if you spot a typo in a title and want them all to come up in a list even for different types of products. Idea
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ruralfrance
Posted: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 11:34:17 AM
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No, there's no bulk checker of anything, though if you have an errant word, just do a search for that word. It's easy to leave odd words in by mistake, but that's not what this thread is about.

This is an example, from a respected seller, with a sort of scroll design. It ceratinly has nothing to do with landscaping, music, real estate, jewelry, libraries, christian etc. We could all add those words to everything we design, then the customer wouldn't stand a chance of finding anything that they wanted!

landscaping library classic salon ornamental jeweler classy fashion decor cosmetologist architect book seller travel material geometric engineer boutique cosmetic construction, building, spa, occupational, home, vintage, personal, retro, business, christian, fineart, stone, shoppe, engineering, artistic, architectural, designer, exterior, church, house, shop, professional, stylish, elegant, music, real estate, interior, architecture, jewelry, trendy, decorator, beauty, business cards

Unfortunately, the problem won't go away until Zazzle take some responsibility.
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Posted: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 12:47:29 PM

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That is pretty bad, it's the tragedy of the commons, one or two selfish types gain while the gretaer group loses out. They must see some benefit (or think they do)

I guess as well as policing, should they make the number or tag characters 100 not 500. Would take some of the temptation away and make people focus on their best words?
Judy Filarecki
Posted: Sunday, September 18, 2011 4:16:08 PM

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I've only just joined Zazzle and opened my shop. I thought the best way to start was to take one of my paintings and use the "Quick tool" to make a bunch of different products with the same picture. It made sense to me, but I soon discovered that the list of tags I used applied to all of the 20 products that were made even though they were not appropriate for quite a few of them...thus spam...I think.

I went through each product and corrected the tags to what was appropriate to them, but now every time I click on these products through the store or from some other searched store, I keep getting this statement "An error occurred on this page, which may make it unstable.

If this occurs, please refresh the page." Refreshing does not correct it and I also noticed that they are all now missing the "Bulk Order Pricing." It still has not corrected after 24 hours and I don't know where else to go besides here to get some kind of answer. Hope someone know or that it is corrected by the time I get an answer.
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Posted: Sunday, November 06, 2011 8:06:45 AM
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Sorry Steve, I decided to delete this so's not to give any unscrupulous person new ideas to play the system.
sc0001
Posted: Sunday, November 06, 2011 8:13:39 AM

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@Rural,

now that's just taking the you know what!!
sc0001
Posted: Friday, November 18, 2011 5:59:06 AM

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This is interesting;

http://www.zazzle.com/mk/policy/nonexclusive_license_agreement#tagspam

scroll down to 'Tags, Spam and Descriptions.'

Thank you Zazzle.

Steve.

EDIT: this; 'You may not stuff multiple words into a single tag that do not comprise a descriptive phrase' specifically addresses the issue raised by RuralFrance earlierSmile
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Posted: Sunday, November 20, 2011 2:51:22 PM
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I totally agree! Plus ditto MalibuItalian, that's a gr8 idea! Idea
We all make mistakes, I'm sure I have some mugs in with my T-shirt tags too! xd
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Posted: Sunday, November 20, 2011 3:01:28 PM

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We all make mistakes, I'm sure I have some mugs in with my T-shirt tags too!

Guilty your honour!...I've found some, but I'm pretty sure there are more out there!

Steve.
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Posted: Sunday, November 20, 2011 3:15:13 PM
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sc0001 wrote:
This is interesting;

http://www.zazzle.com/mk/policy/nonexclusive_license_agreement#tagspam

scroll down to 'Tags, Spam and Descriptions.'

Thank you Zazzle.

Steve.

EDIT: this; 'You may not stuff multiple words into a single tag that do not comprise a descriptive phrase' specifically addresses the issue raised by RuralFrance earlierSmile


I can't wait to see this new rule kick in! The thought of it taking care of Spammers & Stuffers is actually exciting! Grin
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Posted: Sunday, November 20, 2011 3:29:29 PM

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Hear Hear Gina!...abso-godd a m n-lutely!!!
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Posted: Sunday, November 20, 2011 8:26:47 PM
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sc0001 wrote:
Hear Hear Gina!...abso-godd a m n-lutely!!!


Totally agree, there one of those "stuffers" plastered all over one of the new areas I've been trying to break into, it's frustrating to try and compete with Sad

V/R, BB
RD Illustrations
Posted: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 11:16:15 PM

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Hi everyone,

I'm just starting out on Zazzle and the thing that I'm a little stuck with so far, is creating the tags. I have no idea if I am adding relevant tags. I have so far tagged my items as "illustrations" and also as what they represent (food and drink,cupcakes etc) am I doing the wrong thing?

Any help would be much appreciated by this Zazzle newbie!

Kind regards

Rachel
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Posted: Sunday, February 12, 2012 12:02:36 AM
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I stopped looking at the market and what others were doing with their tags but this one found today by accident is really incredible to me and I happened upon it purely by accident. It's especially not cool this is not a newbie to this site that is doing this

you'd think everyone would "get it" by now?

Look at the tags on a Real Estate business card they created that is appearing in a totally unrelated category search result (won't say which because I don't want to call them out publicly)

I removed the commas in case it does not format right in the forum.

business realtor real estate music grunge floral spa and salon spa salon stylish beautiful hair stylist fashion nail nail technician technician jewelery jeweler handbags purse retail makeup artist modern banner texture musician singer black template dots business cards

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@RD Illustrations,
One way to help with tags is to think of them by their real name - Keywords. If you take this as a description; 'The black cat sat on the red mat in front a roaring fire', the 'key' words would be 'black,cat,sat,red,mat,roaring,fire'. To this you could add cats,feline,sitting etc.
The reason I add cats as well as cat is that I'm not sure whether adding just the plural works on Zazzle, normally you only need add the plural and searches for the singular would still find the item.
Hope this helps,

Steve.

@Idesigncafe,
It's hard not to get really annoyed at those who do that - particularly experienced SK's.
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Posted: Sunday, February 12, 2012 9:31:55 AM
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Steve.

@Idesigncafe,
It's hard not to get really annoyed at those who do that - particularly experienced SK's.[/quote]

I have been in email communication with this sk'er and they were led to believe by content management at Zazzle that it's ok to list all the businesses she feels that business card could be used for.

This is in my opinion a direct conflict with what the new agreement says
because I could swear there's a statement in that tag guideline that specifically states NOT to list things you think your product could be used for.

In this case the SK'er thinks it's perfectly ok to list music floral makeup jeweler handbags hair artist on a real estate business card because it's generic enough looking to be used by all those (and probably 100 more) business categories.

This... is a big problem when a seasoned SKer is led to believe this is ok.
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Posted: Sunday, February 12, 2012 1:17:53 PM
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idesigncafe wrote:


I have been in email communication with this sk'er and they were led to believe by content management at Zazzle that it's ok to list all the businesses she feels that business card could be used for.

This is in my opinion a direct conflict with what the new agreement says
because I could swear there's a statement in that tag guideline that specifically states NOT to list things you think your product could be used for.

In this case the SK'er thinks it's perfectly ok to list music floral makeup jeweler handbags hair artist on a real estate business card because it's generic enough looking to be used by all those (and probably 100 more) business categories.

This... is a big problem when a seasoned SKer is led to believe this is ok.


This is from the No-Spam Policy:

You should only state what the item is, not what the Product may become or potential uses for the Product.

That shopkeeper designed a business card. That shopkeeper can't list every possible occupation that card can be used for. If that shopkeeper wants to market towards a particular occupation, s/he needs to create specifically for one occupation. Otherwise, business cards should be generic and tagged appropriately. Tagging for all occupations is not appropriate!
That shopkeeper, and the person s/he spoke with, both need to read the new rules.
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Posted: Sunday, February 26, 2012 8:38:58 AM
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Gina wrote:
idesigncafe wrote:


I have been in email communication with this sk'er and they were led to believe by content management at Zazzle that it's ok to list all the businesses she feels that business card could be used for.

This is in my opinion a direct conflict with what the new agreement says
because I could swear there's a statement in that tag guideline that specifically states NOT to list things you think your product could be used for.

In this case the SK'er thinks it's perfectly ok to list music floral makeup jeweler handbags hair artist on a real estate business card because it's generic enough looking to be used by all those (and probably 100 more) business categories.

This... is a big problem when a seasoned SKer is led to believe this is ok.


This is from the No-Spam Policy:

You should only state what the item is, not what the Product may become or potential uses for the Product.

That shopkeeper designed a business card. That shopkeeper can't list every possible occupation that card can be used for. If that shopkeeper wants to market towards a particular occupation, s/he needs to create specifically for one occupation. Otherwise, business cards should be generic and tagged appropriately. Tagging for all occupations is not appropriate!
That shopkeeper, and the person s/he spoke with, both need to read the new rules.


Why is it I do not see a date at the top of he new policy? Is part of it cutoff from view?

Also note: it is still up to interpretation what this means: I'm paraphrasing here

you may not state what a product could be used for

that COULD mean two different things...
1. it could mean you can call a business card a bookmark
2. it could mean you can't use tags to describe a hairdresser business card with unrelated tags like attorney, accountant, etc.

This part needs to be stated more clearly in my opinion for those who want to interpret it to their convenience Smile
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