Text Box changes - good changes and thanks for the useful "locked" box width 2 pages: 1 [2]
Posted: Thursday, August 22, 2019 8:09:21 AM
I'm finding that, unless a simple and standard font is chosen, anchoring doesn't necessarily work all that well, doubtless due to the space the font designer has around each letter. It's driving me a little bananas, but I know Zazzle can do nothing about it. I discovered this a short time ago when I'd get a line of text centered, switch to a different font, and the text was no longer centered. Add a second line of text, and alignment flew out the window. It's something for people to be aware of.
Posted: Thursday, August 22, 2019 9:27:16 AM
Colorwash wrote:
I'm finding that, unless a simple and standard font is chosen, anchoring doesn't necessarily work all that well, doubtless due to the space the font designer has around each letter. It's driving me a little bananas, but I know Zazzle can do nothing about it. I discovered this a short time ago when I'd get a line of text centered, switch to a different font, and the text was no longer centered. Add a second line of text, and alignment flew out the window. It's something for people to be aware of.

This has to do with the character boundaries of the fonts used. If you take as example decorative script fonts with highly decorated capital letters, the boundaries often are narrower than the character itself, with some decoration overflowing the boundaries either left or right or on both sides, or on some letters they may be larger on the right, left or both sides. On top of that you have to deal with font kerning that can be well done or less, depending on how accurate and professional the font is.

The software uses these text boundaries to align and position, so on such fonts and using certain letters, you will never be able to properly center them well automatically but have to do it manually by eye, what only works on static text, not dynamic one that can be edited on the fly.

That's not a Zazzle problem, that's a general problem you have in graphic design. Real, professional graphic software has tools to counter this (on static text), Zazzle's designer doesn't. That's why I rarely use complex decorative fonts as monograms, centered under a name, it's better to use a well balanced serif font as monogram and use the decorative font over it for the name - and even this doesn't always work, depending on the letters used (even vertically).

All this has nothing to do with Zazzle's vertical alignment / anchor tool, it's a horizontal alignment issue due to the font used.
Posted: Thursday, August 22, 2019 10:39:00 AM
PetsDreamlands wrote:
All this has nothing to do with Zazzle's vertical alignment / anchor tool, it's a horizontal alignment issue due to the font used.

I beg to differ. I created a business card today in which I had to choose a font other than the one I really wanted because a second line moved the text into an odd position. I'll have to check it again to see if there's any way to mitigate such problems.
Posted: Thursday, August 22, 2019 11:39:18 AM
Colorwash wrote:
PetsDreamlands wrote:
All this has nothing to do with Zazzle's vertical alignment / anchor tool, it's a horizontal alignment issue due to the font used.

I beg to differ. I created a business card today in which I had to choose a font other than the one I really wanted because a second line moved the text into an odd position. I'll have to check it again to see if there's any way to mitigate such problems.

Do you have a link to that product and can you tell me the font you initially wanted to use? I'm 100% sure it has nothing to do with the alignment itself, you would pretty certainly get that effect anyway on more lines. I bet, the font base and underline are odd. Need to know at least the font so I can check it out.

Edit: there are many positioning issues with some fonts. Depending on what you want to do, you have to avoid certain fonts, especially if you wanna deal with dynamic text entries.
Posted: Thursday, August 22, 2019 11:58:20 AM
PetsDreamlands wrote:
Edit: there are many positioning issues with some fonts. Depending on what you want to do, you have to avoid certain fonts, especially if you wanna deal with dynamic text entries.

That's precisely what I was saying.
Posted: Thursday, August 22, 2019 12:21:20 PM
Colorwash wrote:

That's precisely what I was saying.

Yep, but it sounded like you would relate it to the alignment tool, and that's not the case. It's a font issue.
Posted: Thursday, August 22, 2019 12:23:35 PM
PetsDreamlands wrote:
Colorwash wrote:

That's precisely what I was saying.

Yep, but it sounded like you would relate it to the alignment tool, and that's not the case. It's a font issue.

Read back through what I originally posted, and you'll see I was talking about the anchor tool.
Posted: Thursday, August 22, 2019 12:35:06 PM
Colorwash wrote:
PetsDreamlands wrote:
Colorwash wrote:

That's precisely what I was saying.

Yep, but it sounded like you would relate it to the alignment tool, and that's not the case. It's a font issue.

Read back through what I originally posted, and you'll see I was talking about the anchor tool.

If you mean Zazzle's top/middle/bottom "anchor" tool, yep, it's what I meant, too, with alignment tool. Again, the tool is innocent, the font has to be put in jail.
Posted: Thursday, August 22, 2019 5:01:03 PM
PetsDreamlands wrote:
Colorwash wrote:
PetsDreamlands wrote:
Colorwash wrote:

That's precisely what I was saying.

Yep, but it sounded like you would relate it to the alignment tool, and that's not the case. It's a font issue.

Read back through what I originally posted, and you'll see I was talking about the anchor tool.

If you mean Zazzle's top/middle/bottom "anchor" tool, yep, it's what I meant, too, with alignment tool. Again, the tool is innocent, the font has to be put in jail.

It would have been better had you simply agreed with my original observation.
Posted: Thursday, August 22, 2019 10:06:08 PM
Colorwash wrote:

It would have been better had you simply agreed with my original observation.


This would be the perfect gift for us:



My sis would love you, you're the perfect match Laughing
Posted: Thursday, August 29, 2019 8:18:52 AM
Connie wrote:
This will be wonderful for templates with a lot of text, like wedding programs. I found it so frustrating trying to design wedding programs- you change one thing, and the stupid box would get real wide and cover the design!


I still find it frustrating...

I just created a label with a Christmas Address, I used that label to create a New Year label and changed the Christmas Address into a longer New Year Address, then the extra line showed up, I don't want that to happen, can someone tell me in a few simple easy steps how to make sure that 3 lines stay 3 lines no matter how long the address? Thank YouLove
Posted: Thursday, August 29, 2019 8:36:48 AM
The only thing I can think of is to make it a smaller font size, which isn't always a good idea with labels.
Posted: Thursday, August 29, 2019 8:50:47 AM
Colorwash wrote:
The only thing I can think of is to make it a smaller font size, which isn't always a good idea with labels.


Thank you Colorwash for your fast replyRoses , I do hope customers will remember to do that when it doesn't fit :-) Reading all the enthusiastic replies but I don't see the need yet why Z had to change it in the first place...
Posted: Thursday, August 29, 2019 9:41:22 AM
yoursparklingshop wrote:
Colorwash wrote:
The only thing I can think of is to make it a smaller font size, which isn't always a good idea with labels.


Thank you Colorwash for your fast replyRoses , I do hope customers will remember to do that when it doesn't fit :-) Reading all the enthusiastic replies but I don't see the need yet why Z had to change it in the first place...


Because before the following design had much more issues:



Front:
The company name expands upwards so it won't clash with the plane.
The motto expands down so it won't clash with the company name and the width considers the plane so it won't run into the plane either.

Back:
The name expands upwards so it won't clash with the field of expertise an the field of expertise expands down. Both have the full witdth.
The width of the address field ends at the logo and expands upwards so an additional line is not a problem.


____

That's why. Grin
Posted: Thursday, August 29, 2019 10:09:15 AM
vivendulies wrote:
yoursparklingshop wrote:
Colorwash wrote:
The only thing I can think of is to make it a smaller font size, which isn't always a good idea with labels.


Thank you Colorwash for your fast replyRoses , I do hope customers will remember to do that when it doesn't fit :-) Reading all the enthusiastic replies but I don't see the need yet why Z had to change it in the first place...


Because before the following design had much more issues:



Front:
The company name expands upwards so it won't clash with the plane.
The motto expands down so it won't clash with the company name and the width considers the plane so it won't run into the plane either.

Back:
The name expands upwards so it won't clash with the field of expertise an the field of expertise expands down. Both have the full witdth.
The width of the address field ends at the logo and expands upwards so an additional line is not a problem.


____

That's why. Grin


Thank you vivendulies for sharingRoses , I played a little bit with your business card template, I still haven't got it completely, it is dripping in slowly, with the same speed as I unpack my holiday bags LOL
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