Paper Break Out Questions 3 pages: 1 [2] 3
Posted: Friday, July 27, 2018 3:40:31 PM
Monica wrote:
We have been toying around with the option to let designers move their own products. A new 'post for sale' flow is being worked on now, but no promises.

Please consider what may happen in peak times (e.g. before Holidays), if designers have to fill in requests to have their paper ware moved by you instead of being allowed to do it themselves in real time through a dropdown menu. Last Christmas I (and you) missed a custom postage sale because the review took weeks (!) and when it was finally done, it was too late. Let apart the time I wasted for creating that product for my customer.

Monica wrote:
We haven't got search volume or consumer interest in large holiday cards, but if we see a large upcharge, we can add that to the current product type.

I really don't get this philosophy of partially limiting card size options on products that are de facto absolutely identical, just differently classified by theme. If greeting cards are generally purchasable at 8.5x11 size, it makes no sense at all to block this option on Holiday themed cards, because "there is not much interest in large Holiday cards". And no, you can't just add a larger size afterwards without having to face consequences. Many designers will design their cards at a size that matches the available max size. If a card's max size is 5x7, you can't then just add a 8.5x11 on the same product afterwards, due to the simple fact that the resolution of many 5x7 card designs will not be good enough to grant a perfect result on a 8.5x11 one.

In regards to Valentine's Day, it definitely falls into the same category as Mother's and Father's Day. No way it's a Holiday card. And I'm pretty sure, the one or other love birdie would like to buy a bigger 8.5x11 Valentine's card for their special one. On the other hand, Halloween and 4th of July fall definitely into the Holiday category.

With all my respect (please take this as constructive criticism), in my honest opinion you're making easy things unnecessarily complicated. Two generic greeting card products - folded and unfolded (not talking about special cards and sizes now, just basic greeting cards) - with a theme-dropdown/database field would've done the job better. Easy to find and to create, without any confusion of any sort, both for customers and designers. Plus you're artificially self-limiting yourself and us designers, dropping important and helpful functionality and options. This not only on cards but in general. See template images that can't be deleted anymore via the new personalize form, the dropped no-grid option to create artistic calendars from scratch, the limited category mess in searches etc etc.

You're the best POD service around and offer great products and services, but sometimes some decisions and "enhancements" really lack in common sense.

Purely professional thoughts of course, love u guys Roses (that's a greeting card, btw, not a Holiday one Grin )
Posted: Friday, July 27, 2018 4:51:25 PM
Sorry if it's been asked before but I can't find a folded Holiday Card (formerly known as Greeting Card which could be designed for anything) at Zazzleblanks. I mean there is:

1) flat Holiday Card https://www.zazzle.com/flat_holiday_card-256223881453920325
2) folded Greeting Card https://www.zazzle.com/personalized_photo_greeting_card-137809099852353280 where the description says it is for Thank You, Hello, I Love You etc - so clearly not for holidays like Christmas
3) folded Greeting Card https://www.zazzle.com/personalized_photo_greeting_card-137730324412239608 with the same description as the above but with different number so there should be a difference between the two but I was unable to spot it.

So 2 questions:

- Do folded Holiday Cards exist and if yes where?
- What is the difference between 2) and 3)?

Thank you!
Posted: Friday, July 27, 2018 5:06:59 PM
TheArtOfVikki wrote:

I don't know if this is intentional - perhaps the original 10 or 20 card option for the new paper breakout type was a mistake - but to show the difference in case it needs to be addressed:
Enclosure Card
Enclosure Cards show per card price on main create page ($0.31 per card)
vs.
Business Card
Business Cards show the per PACK price on main create page ($20.95 per pack of 100)



I think the difference in the business card sized enclosure card pricing is the printing process. Under the option to choose your paper type on the product page you can choose either "high definition" or "standard" for the printing process. Standard reflects the regular business card prices of 21 cents per card. It is set automatically to high definition which has a higher price of 31 cents per card.
Posted: Friday, July 27, 2018 5:12:18 PM
Will pricing be (1) the same across identical products with different labels or (2) is pricing going to be based on use?
Posted: Friday, July 27, 2018 5:16:36 PM
I am wondering what the difference is between this one

Business Card

and that one

Business Card

Both can be found on the "create your own" page. Same thing with the Square version.

Another member I just talked to on Facebook suggested that one version of them is being phased out. If that is the case why still let me create it?

Besides that, would it be possible to add sizes after the name/title on the "create your own" page? For example instead of just calling it "Business Card", use "Business Card 3.5x2". It is quite confusing if they are numerous products called "Business Card". Sizes would be helpful and it would be more consistent with the other paper products which have sizes mentioned.
Posted: Friday, July 27, 2018 5:41:12 PM
J32 Design wrote:
I am wondering what the difference is between this one

Business Card

and that one

Business Card

Both can be found on the "create your own" page. Same thing with the Square version.

Look closely at your two links, and you'll see one is a Profile Card and one is a Business Card. One's for business and the "profile" product is the generic catch-all.
J32 Design wrote:
Besides that, would it be possible to add sizes after the name/title on the "create your own" page? For example instead of just calling it "Business Card", use "Business Card 3.5x2". It is quite confusing if they are numerous products called "Business Card". Sizes would be helpful and it would be more consistent with the other paper products which have sizes mentioned.

Amen. There are rows and rows of paper products in different sizes, but with the same proportions, so they all look the same unless you hover for the link parameters or open the product. Some previews have envelopes - but are those the products WITH envelopes? Not necessarily. Then the default paper stocks are different, and so are the prices, even when we switch specs.

Heaven help me that my daughter decided to get married this year. I need a secret decoder and a stiff drink - does anyone have either of those lying around?
Laughing

ETA: I forgot to ask my question... Does the migration include a change in PAPER SPECS, if the default spec is different than what we've set? I happen to prefer the matte for some things, but I see some products are defaulted to semi-gloss. I have "all options" set, for customer use.
Posted: Friday, July 27, 2018 5:47:03 PM
WittyBetty wrote:
Sorry if it's been asked before but I can't find a folded Holiday Card (formerly known as Greeting Card which could be designed for anything) at Zazzleblanks. I mean there is:

1) flat Holiday Card https://www.zazzle.com/flat_holiday_card-256223881453920325
2) folded Greeting Card https://www.zazzle.com/personalized_photo_greeting_card-137809099852353280 where the description says it is for Thank You, Hello, I Love You etc - so clearly not for holidays like Christmas
3) folded Greeting Card https://www.zazzle.com/personalized_photo_greeting_card-137730324412239608 with the same description as the above but with different number so there should be a difference between the two but I was unable to spot it.

So 2 questions:

- Do folded Holiday Cards exist and if yes where?
- What is the difference between 2) and 3)?

Thank you!


https://www.zazzle.com/pd/spp/pt-zazzle_foldedholidaycard?envelopes=none&media=128ptsemi&orientation=horz&printquality=4color&style=5x7&design.areas=%7Bcard_5x7_outside_print_horz_front%2Ccard_5x7_inside_print_horz_side1%2Ccard_5x7_inside_print_horz_side2%2Ccard_5x7_outside_print_horz_back%7D&canpublish=false

This was in the CYO menu. Note it is 15¢ cheaper than the standard greeting card.

The holiday options really should have a different background. I'm sure that's on the list!
Posted: Friday, July 27, 2018 5:48:19 PM
RoyK_is_a_She wrote:
J32 Design wrote:
I am wondering what the difference is between this one

Business Card

and that one

Business Card

Both can be found on the "create your own" page. Same thing with the Square version.

Look closely at your two links, and you'll see one is a Profile Card and one is a Business Card. One's for business and the "profile" product is the generic catch-all.


Makes sense. I did not look that closely at the link as both were titled "Business Card". One should be "Profile Card" then to avoid confusion and adding designs to the wrong product type.
Posted: Saturday, July 28, 2018 12:19:50 AM
Monica wrote:
Hi Designers,

I'm going to do my best to respond to questions, but I don't have all the answers so please bear with me.

@Linda_MN
Christmas, Easter, and Thanksgiving cards are in Holiday cards, while the Halloween and 4th of July cards are in greeting cards. Difference between holiday and greeting cards - holidays typically go out to many people, while a greeting card goes to one. So father's/mother's day is greeting card, birthday cards are greeting card, sympathy cards are greeting cards, and Halloween cards are greeting cards, while Christmas, Hanukkah, New Years, and Valentines are Holiday Cards. Hope this makes sense.



Oh...I find that confusing. I would think "holiday" would include all recognized holidays, while mother's day/father's day, birthday, sympathy etc. are not observed as holidays. 4th of July is a Federal holiday, as is Christmas and Thanksgiving. Easter, Hanukkah, St. Valentine's Day and Halloween are religious holidays. If I was a customer, I would think to look for all of those holidays under holiday, because that is what they are.
Posted: Saturday, July 28, 2018 1:20:47 AM
Linda_MN wrote:
Monica wrote:
Hi Designers,

I'm going to do my best to respond to questions, but I don't have all the answers so please bear with me.

@Linda_MN
Christmas, Easter, and Thanksgiving cards are in Holiday cards, while the Halloween and 4th of July cards are in greeting cards. Difference between holiday and greeting cards - holidays typically go out to many people, while a greeting card goes to one. So father's/mother's day is greeting card, birthday cards are greeting card, sympathy cards are greeting cards, and Halloween cards are greeting cards, while Christmas, Hanukkah, New Years, and Valentines are Holiday Cards. Hope this makes sense.



Oh...I find that confusing. I would think "holiday" would include all recognized holidays, while mother's day/father's day, birthday, sympathy etc. are not observed as holidays. 4th of July is a Federal holiday, as is Christmas and Thanksgiving. Easter, Hanukkah, St. Valentine's Day and Halloween are religious holidays. If I was a customer, I would think to look for all of those holidays under holiday, because that is what they are.


+1
Posted: Saturday, July 28, 2018 1:38:54 AM


Thank you so much! Roses There was a talk that CYO list is now glitching and Z recommended to use Zazzleblanks instead, that's why I was looked for holiday/greeting cards there. As far as I can see, the link you found in CYO is missing on Zazzleblanks so Team please add it to there Roses
Posted: Saturday, July 28, 2018 3:51:51 AM
There seem too many distinctions without differences. It's just paper, some of it used for greeting cards, some for business (profile, contact, enclosure, whatever cards), postcards, and so on. Breaking out paper according to use is fine if it's only to fill a database and enhance the search process, but trying to cover all the different ways in which people use paper is, to my mind anyway, a nightmare. Not only do we designers think up unique ways to design products, but customers come up with their own creative uses. Even our long-standing gift wrap is informative: Besides using it to wrap a present, there's wallpaper, decoupage, and origami, and those are just the few things popping into my head.

I think it may be venturing into a land where dragons dwell. Grin
Posted: Saturday, July 28, 2018 10:29:29 AM
Colorwash wrote:
There seem too many distinctions without differences. It's just paper, some of it used for greeting cards, some for business (profile, contact, enclosure, whatever cards), postcards, and so on. Breaking out paper according to use is fine if it's only to fill a database and enhance the search process, but trying to cover all the different ways in which people use paper is, to my mind anyway, a nightmare. Not only do we designers think up unique ways to design products, but customers come up with their own creative uses. Even our long-standing gift wrap is informative: Besides using it to wrap a present, there's wallpaper, decoupage, and origami, and those are just the few things popping into my head.

I think it may be venturing into a land where dragons dwell. Grin


Amen! And that makes me stay away from most paper products all together. Not gonna waste my time or energy and get frustrated along the way. Way too much of a hassle and think work that has nothing to do with designing. Not my cuppa tea Grin I might be wrong, but I don't see this paper break out enhance customer experience or gain more sales.
Posted: Saturday, July 28, 2018 2:49:20 PM
Linda_MN wrote:
Monica wrote:
Hi Designers,

I'm going to do my best to respond to questions, but I don't have all the answers so please bear with me.

@Linda_MN
Christmas, Easter, and Thanksgiving cards are in Holiday cards, while the Halloween and 4th of July cards are in greeting cards. Difference between holiday and greeting cards - holidays typically go out to many people, while a greeting card goes to one. So father's/mother's day is greeting card, birthday cards are greeting card, sympathy cards are greeting cards, and Halloween cards are greeting cards, while Christmas, Hanukkah, New Years, and Valentines are Holiday Cards. Hope this makes sense.



Oh...I find that confusing. I would think "holiday" would include all recognized holidays, while mother's day/father's day, birthday, sympathy etc. are not observed as holidays. 4th of July is a Federal holiday, as is Christmas and Thanksgiving. Easter, Hanukkah, St. Valentine's Day and Halloween are religious holidays. If I was a customer, I would think to look for all of those holidays under holiday, because that is what they are.


There seems to be a translation problem here as well:

On the US site I have a Valentine's Day card that has been migrated as a Holiday card:



On the UK site this has been translated as "Christmas card", and looks silly!



Posted: Saturday, July 28, 2018 10:58:26 PM
Linda_MN wrote:
Monica wrote:
Hi Designers,

I'm going to do my best to respond to questions, but I don't have all the answers so please bear with me.

@Linda_MN
Christmas, Easter, and Thanksgiving cards are in Holiday cards, while the Halloween and 4th of July cards are in greeting cards. Difference between holiday and greeting cards - holidays typically go out to many people, while a greeting card goes to one. So father's/mother's day is greeting card, birthday cards are greeting card, sympathy cards are greeting cards, and Halloween cards are greeting cards, while Christmas, Hanukkah, New Years, and Valentines are Holiday Cards. Hope this makes sense.



Oh...I find that confusing. I would think "holiday" would include all recognized holidays, while mother's day/father's day, birthday, sympathy etc. are not observed as holidays. 4th of July is a Federal holiday, as is Christmas and Thanksgiving. Easter, Hanukkah, St. Valentine's Day and Halloween are religious holidays. If I was a customer, I would think to look for all of those holidays under holiday, because that is what they are.


Even more confusing, I am looking at the paper breakout explanation page, where it says Halloween IS a Holiday card.


https://blog.zazzle.com/2018/07/25/the-paper-breakout-explained/
Posted: Sunday, July 29, 2018 2:49:53 AM
I'm amazed at the people trying to figure this out. I'm not. I have Christmas in my titles, descriptions, tags, store category and Zazzle category.

Why in tarnation would I need an additional, and to me unnecessary, categorization?

I'm supposed to be working on Christmas but seriously thinking about taking my cards elsewhere, especially with the loss of matching stamps....that really hurts.

d
Posted: Sunday, July 29, 2018 9:07:53 PM
I don't understand what product type I should choose to design a Halloween Greeting Card (I mean a folded greeting card).

I ask someone from the team, please just give us a link to a product blank and list holidays (I still call Halloween a holiday if you don't mind) it serves for. It seems to be the only way to avoid confusing and ending up in the wrong category.
Posted: Monday, July 30, 2018 11:45:49 AM
I am still confused about the 8"x4" photocards. It looks like half of mine have migrated? Will the other half be migrating or should I flag them as needing to be moved?

There is a big price difference between the old and new:
https://www.zazzle.com/white_orchid_on_black_wedding_save_the_date_card-243249132722966976
https://www.zazzle.com/soft_pink_hydrangea_wedding_save_the_date-243474326015935206


I am still unable to customize, edit and repost for sale on the new migrated version.
Posted: Monday, July 30, 2018 2:07:43 PM
loraseverson wrote:
I am still confused about the 8"x4" photocards. It looks like half of mine have migrated? Will the other half be migrating or should I flag them as needing to be moved?

There is a big price difference between the old and new:
https://www.zazzle.com/white_orchid_on_black_wedding_save_the_date_card-243249132722966976
https://www.zazzle.com/soft_pink_hydrangea_wedding_save_the_date-243474326015935206


I am still unable to customize, edit and repost for sale on the new migrated version.


WHAT???!!! THEY'RE CHANGING POSTCARDS?

Back in 2007 when I started images HAD to fit the size of the product, I have probably hundreds of postcards that will no longer fit if they do that. I'm not redoing all those images for Zazzle's whim and will take my (old and new) postcards elsewhere along with any new greeting cards I make holiday or not.

This is beyond the irritation of having to go through all my greeting cards and postcards one by one to change back to semi-gloss. I think it's time to go ahead and get my free business cards and say adios.

d
Posted: Monday, July 30, 2018 3:02:31 PM
How can I get the Paper Breakout doc without having to go to google? Please post it, and all other docs and videos, on Zazzle itself.

Thank you.
Posted: Monday, July 30, 2018 3:02:35 PM
deemac1 wrote:


WHAT???!!! THEY'RE CHANGING POSTCARDS?


Not postcards, but photocards. Photocard are similar, but longer and skinnier and come with envelopes. They're only printed on one side.
Posted: Monday, July 30, 2018 3:03:22 PM
On Photo Cards, didn't they used to be photo paper with a picture and words? I've never ordered, but had customers order last year and some used Transfer this design, I think, to get a lower price point product. They were around $1 each, if I recall. Looking now, it appears those designs been transferred to a a heavier invitation-like paper and they're $2.

Question: Are traditional Photo Cards, printed on photo paper, going to be discontinued? I don't see them addressed in the blog post.

RoyK_is_a_She wrote:
I need a secret decoder

I was kidding. I don't think we should need a guide to create a card.
Posted: Monday, July 30, 2018 3:03:41 PM
RunnerTShirtsGifts wrote:
How can I get the Paper Breakout doc without having to go to google? Please post it, and all other docs and videos, on Zazzle itself.

Thank you.


Not sure if Zazzle has any downloadable files anymore.
Posted: Monday, July 30, 2018 7:50:12 PM
Beachwalker wrote:
deemac1 wrote:


WHAT???!!! THEY'RE CHANGING POSTCARDS?


Not postcards, but photocards. Photocard are similar, but longer and skinnier and come with envelopes. They're only printed on one side.


They have changed the postcards too now though and the images and text are not fitting the way it should. They are skewed and without having the option to edit the only thing to do would be to remake all of them (unless Zazzle is planning on fixing that issue as well)
Posted: Monday, July 30, 2018 11:16:40 PM
Beachwalker wrote:
deemac1 wrote:


WHAT???!!! THEY'RE CHANGING POSTCARDS?


Not postcards, but photocards. Photocard are similar, but longer and skinnier and come with envelopes. They're only printed on one side.


Thanks....calmed me down quite a bit. That's what I get for reading the forum so close to bedtime! Having given up on Zazzle as any kind of real money making I'm working a job that starts at 4am so I'm frequently sleepy.

d
Posted: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 5:57:23 AM
@deemac1 - you're welcome! I understand sleep-reading all too well myself!

@liseprovencher - I'm not seeing that! I will keep checking on mine.

@RoyK_is_a_She - I don't know what's going on with photocards. They are (were?) a really good, inexpensive alternative, especially for Xmas. They're not on the paper list.

I should correct something I said earlier. I haven't made any of these in a while. They USED TO BE one-side and cheap. Now, they're too sided. Did they migrate? I have no idea.
Posted: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 6:59:06 AM
Beachwalker wrote:
I should correct something I said earlier. I haven't made any of these in a while. They USED TO BE one-side and cheap. Now, they're too sided. Did they migrate? I have no idea.


They did migrate (at least, mine did). They now have two sides because they're treated like an invitation/flat card. You can also change them to be bigger invitation sizes. I know mine didn't work at the larger sizes, so I edited them to "this size only". That hasn't been documented though as far as I'm aware. It just happened.
Posted: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 7:23:25 AM
Beachwalker wrote:
@RoyK_is_a_She - I don't know what's going on with photocards. They are (were?) a really good, inexpensive alternative, especially for Xmas. They're not on the paper list.

I should correct something I said earlier. I haven't made any of these in a while. They USED TO BE one-side and cheap. Now, they're too sided. Did they migrate? I have no idea.

That appears to be what's happened. They're not "photo cards" as I've come to know them. I'm seeing photo card-sized invitations at twice the price. This thread is for questions (which one would assume Z will answer?), so I'm asking what's up with that. ;)

Next questions:

Why are Response Cards set to minimum order of 1 and Enclosure Cards a minimum order of 10? They're the same product - 3.5 x 5.0 flat paper.

Also, if the price break for NO envelopes is 15 cents, why are Enclosure Cards which don't come with envelopes $1.65 and Response Cards which come with envelopes only 10 cents more at $1.75 (and then $1.60, when the envelope option is switched to None? They appear to be identical paper specs.

I'm seeing lots of instances where Z is pricing based on use, and "wedding" is getting a premium price. Not everyone can afford an expensive wedding though, and the bride who can't afford the splash deserves nice things too (I'm sure Zazzle agrees). Designers may put a "menu" on a Rack Card for a wedding or business reception for a reason. I don't understand why it has to be migrated. I really feel like we should have the option to put our designs on the paper products we feel are appropriate without fear of having them migrated to a more expensive or ill-fitting product type. Since the beginning of Z, Designers have come up with innovative uses for products regardless of what they're labeled - part of Z's success and cited in a break out video even, right?

In addition to request previously made for us to be able to un-migrate/move our own Products to the use product we think is appropriate -

- An option to "lock" a newly Published Product or opt that Product out of migration. This would avoid having it migrated, wasting time on Designer end checking/requesting a re-categorization and Zazzle's end moving it.
Posted: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 8:36:53 AM
The same sort of question occurs with the Flat Card and the Flat Card.
Other than the fact that their names are identical, the first one includes an envelope for 5¢ more, but if you add an envelope to the second one, it adds 15¢, with a net increase of 10¢. Same cards, same envelopes, different prices, and no differentiation in their usage.

Posted: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 2:45:42 PM
RoyK_is_a_She wrote:
I'm seeing lots of instances where Z is pricing based on use, and "wedding" is getting a premium price. Not everyone can afford an expensive wedding though, and the bride who can't afford the splash deserves nice things too (I'm sure Zazzle agrees). Designers may put a "menu" on a Rack Card for a wedding or business reception for a reason. I don't understand why it has to be migrated. I really feel like we should have the option to put our designs on the paper products we feel are appropriate without fear of having them migrated to a more expensive or ill-fitting product type. Since the beginning of Z, Designers have come up with innovative uses for products regardless of what they're labeled - part of Z's success and cited in a break out video even, right?

+1

As mentioned in other replies, paper products shall be offered and priced by their type, not by their usage and/or design. As it's done by all paper printing companies. If you want a folded 5x7 card, you order and pay for that sort of paper product, doesn't matter if you use it for an invitation, a greeting card or whatever else.

It also makes no sense at all, that even paper/card sizes may be affected/limited by thematic classification (take the no longer available big sized Holiday greeting cards as example).

In regards to forced migrations: as designer it's MY choice only on what products I want to put MY designs on. No way I will accept annoying, time consuming report/review procedures for a simple thematic change caused by a messed up auto-migration.
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