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Posted: Wednesday, August 07, 2019 11:12:04 AM
James wrote:
So if anyone has a question on why something was rejected, you won't get an answer on that here. An email should have been sent so getting back to this is the best option. If there are outstanding questions Shelli, let me know and I will gladly pass on.
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Ya'll have so much feedback they have blended in Shocked Grin


Thanks James, I did finally respond to the emails from Content Review and the replies were not addressing the specifics such as

1.) why some wide striped patterns are being approved and others are not?

2.) why some gradients are approved and others are not?

3.) exactly what kind of abstract art is acceptable or is it patterns only?

4.) why are some similar abstract art designs being approved and others are not? {I have screenshots of my rejected ones and ones in the mp that are the exact same type of art, but I don't want to call out any specific designers or risk that their designs would be pulled from the mp}

5.) since designs have been pulled from the MP after approval how long should a promoter have to wait to make sure that affiliate links shared will not be broken a few days later by pulled designs?


That is all I can think of right now...

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Ya'll have so much feedback they have blended in Shocked Grin


There probably would have been much less if we hadn't gone so long without any replies. Happy

Posted: Wednesday, August 07, 2019 11:47:53 AM
Col's Creations wrote:
Denise Beverly wrote:
I think I will use this as a test field. If I cannot sell any out of 100+ then I need to back up and see what the problem is instead of piling more and more on.

I think that is super-sensible. Zazzle said from the beginning of the release that they were anxious to get the product out before working out all the kinks so this is a "launch & learn" situation (love that new term by the way). Making a boatload of them and then getting irritated over the lack of clarity re the design & review standards and rejections is just sort of hitting oneself with a hammer. Zazzle doesn't want unhappy customers and returns anymore than individual designers do and until they start selling a bunch of these new independently-designed shoes, how are they themselves going to know for sure what works and what doesn't? I can understand them not wanting their new product launch to be a failure so being overly cautious and yes vague at this point. I made seven pairs (a LOT for me) and am just sitting back now waiting to see how it all shakes out in general.


I do not mind the rejection at all, I realise they are still feeling their way with this new type of product. But how did you get the video snapshots of your won patterns Col? did you order some? just curious..
Posted: Wednesday, August 07, 2019 12:02:30 PM
The screenshots are from this video
https://youtu.be/ngUsLR33JSU
Posted: Wednesday, August 07, 2019 12:02:40 PM
GillKnox wrote:
Col's Creations wrote:
Denise Beverly wrote:
I think I will use this as a test field. If I cannot sell any out of 100+ then I need to back up and see what the problem is instead of piling more and more on.

I think that is super-sensible. Zazzle said from the beginning of the release that they were anxious to get the product out before working out all the kinks so this is a "launch & learn" situation (love that new term by the way). Making a boatload of them and then getting irritated over the lack of clarity re the design & review standards and rejections is just sort of hitting oneself with a hammer. Zazzle doesn't want unhappy customers and returns anymore than individual designers do and until they start selling a bunch of these new independently-designed shoes, how are they themselves going to know for sure what works and what doesn't? I can understand them not wanting their new product launch to be a failure so being overly cautious and yes vague at this point. I made seven pairs (a LOT for me) and am just sitting back now waiting to see how it all shakes out in general.


I do not mind the rejection at all, I realise they are still feeling their way with this new type of product. But how did you get the video snapshots of your won patterns Col? did you order some? just curious..


I think those videos are from Ubuntu website or their Zazzle store.
I am pretty sure that they are not Coleen's designs in the videos.

Posted: Wednesday, August 07, 2019 1:29:39 PM
Thank you James C for your reply.
Posted: Wednesday, August 07, 2019 1:35:49 PM
I thought I had turned off the customization option by sliding to the gray from the blue color in the design area but it seems I apparently missed something. My submission for the Afridrilles was rejected and it was explained that it was due to not having turned off this option. To prevent it, it should be grayed out, correct? (I have trouble sometimes telling if it is gray or blue!). And is there more than one place where this has to be done--like on the publish page when placing the item for sale--where it asks about allowing customers to do various options to the design. I just want to make sure I have changed it everywhere that I am supposed to when i re-submit my designs. The explanation was not really clear and did not answer specific questions I had asked. I think we all really want to do things right and so we ask questions but sometimes they do not get answered. I suspect they are really busy and cannot take time to
be more specific to everyone's questions. But if anyone here in the forum can give me some direction it would be appreciated.
Posted: Wednesday, August 07, 2019 1:52:56 PM
KDSphotography wrote:
I thought I had turned off the customization option by sliding to the gray from the blue color in the design area but it seems I apparently missed something. My submission for the Afridrilles was rejected and it was explained that it was due to not having turned off this option. To prevent it, it should be grayed out, correct? (I have trouble sometimes telling if it is gray or blue!). And is there more than one place where this has to be done--like on the publish page when placing the item for sale--where it asks about allowing customers to do various options to the design. I just want to make sure I have changed it everywhere that I am supposed to when i re-submit my designs. The explanation was not really clear and did not answer specific questions I had asked. I think we all really want to do things right and so we ask questions but sometimes they do not get answered. I suspect they are really busy and cannot take time to
be more specific to everyone's questions. But if anyone here in the forum can give me some direction it would be appreciated.


The place you are looking for is on the publish page right above the royalty box. Make sure that is turned to "NO".

-Malissa
Posted: Wednesday, August 07, 2019 3:33:24 PM
I was fooling with search in Espadrilles and found that, within a specific search, if you choose Newest, it goes to a general list of what’s newest and not Espadrilles at all.

Also, after finding one of my own designs and knowing I’d limited the canvas color to just one, I checked it. The entire range of colors was completely available. I hope this is because I was signed in, though I suspect not.
Posted: Wednesday, August 07, 2019 4:00:03 PM
My tribal pattern was rejected again. I wish the emails had clear information as to why designs are rejected. The emails I'm getting keep saying it's not a pattern. I know how to design a repeat pattern, so I don't know why they keep saying that. It's disappointing, but I'll move on to other patterns.
Posted: Wednesday, August 07, 2019 4:16:24 PM
James C wrote:
Art Vixen wrote:

James C., please clarify how stripe patterns, made in a seamless repeat, should be applied to the espadrilles? Their email replies are unclear as to what the problem is.


We are working on a more detailed responses to a variety of questions and will be updating the help article in the next day.

James C


I am looking forward to the 'detailed responses', and very much hope it will clear up things to the max, since the content reviews of which designs are acceptable and which ones will get rejected apparently cause enormous confusion among designers, including me. For example... days ago certain designs got accepted. And today the exact same designs, with the exact same placements, but with different background colors get rejected. The inconsistency is totally beyond belief.

If the reviews are done by several different employees, please give them all the same instructions at the same time, so every one of them knows exactly which ones are yes's and which ones are no-no's. This waiting game for e-mails whether your design is approved or not is taking the fun out of making designs for these shoes. And since it states in the policy that Continued violation of these constraints may result in your access to the product being revoked it should be perfectly clear of what we can submit and what we can not submit. Nobody is waiting to get their access to making these espadrilles revoked. Right now it seems we are subject to the whims of the reviewers. Not a place any of us should find ourselves in, no matter if certain kinks still need to be ironed out or not.

So again, I'm anticipating the answers Z will give us to the questions that have come up in this thread.
Posted: Wednesday, August 07, 2019 5:11:38 PM
MelroseOriginals wrote:
KDSphotography wrote:
I thought I had turned off the customization option by sliding to the gray from the blue color in the design area but it seems I apparently missed something. My submission for the Afridrilles was rejected and it was explained that it was due to not having turned off this option. To prevent it, it should be grayed out, correct? (I have trouble sometimes telling if it is gray or blue!). And is there more than one place where this has to be done--like on the publish page when placing the item for sale--where it asks about allowing customers to do various options to the design. I just want to make sure I have changed it everywhere that I am supposed to when i re-submit my designs. The explanation was not really clear and did not answer specific questions I had asked. I think we all really want to do things right and so we ask questions but sometimes they do not get answered. I suspect they are really busy and cannot take time to
be more specific to everyone's questions. But if anyone here in the forum can give me some direction it would be appreciated.


The place you are looking for is on the publish page right above the royalty box. Make sure that is turned to "NO".

-Maliisa




Thank you for taking time to respond Maliisa! And about the gray and blue options--I always assume gray is the one indicating "not allowed" (pretty standard) and blue is the "allowed" (on the design pages) but this rejection made me question what I did. Now I know that it was on the publish page above the royalty box where I should have been making the designation. Appreciate it!
Posted: Wednesday, August 07, 2019 5:16:41 PM
KDSphotography wrote:
MelroseOriginals wrote:
KDSphotography wrote:
I thought I had turned off the customization option by sliding to the gray from the blue color in the design area but it seems I apparently missed something. My submission for the Afridrilles was rejected and it was explained that it was due to not having turned off this option. To prevent it, it should be grayed out, correct? (I have trouble sometimes telling if it is gray or blue!). And is there more than one place where this has to be done--like on the publish page when placing the item for sale--where it asks about allowing customers to do various options to the design. I just want to make sure I have changed it everywhere that I am supposed to when i re-submit my designs. The explanation was not really clear and did not answer specific questions I had asked. I think we all really want to do things right and so we ask questions but sometimes they do not get answered. I suspect they are really busy and cannot take time to
be more specific to everyone's questions. But if anyone here in the forum can give me some direction it would be appreciated.


The place you are looking for is on the publish page right above the royalty box. Make sure that is turned to "NO".

-Maliisa



Thank you for taking time to respond Maliisa! And about the gray and blue options--I always assume gray is the one indicating "not allowed" (pretty standard) and blue is the "allowed" (on the design pages) but this rejection made me question what I did. Now I know that it was on the publish page above the royalty box where I should have been making the designation. Appreciate it!


You are very welcome!

Malissa
(Not that it matters much, but I can’t believe I messed up my own name so bad in the post up there Laughing that’s what I get for using my phone I guess....
Posted: Wednesday, August 07, 2019 5:32:33 PM
MelroseOriginals wrote:
KDSphotography wrote:
MelroseOriginals wrote:
KDSphotography wrote:
I thought I had turned off the customization option by sliding to the gray from the blue color in the design area but it seems I apparently missed something. My submission for the Afridrilles was rejected and it was explained that it was due to not having turned off this option. To prevent it, it should be grayed out, correct? (I have trouble sometimes telling if it is gray or blue!). And is there more than one place where this has to be done--like on the publish page when placing the item for sale--where it asks about allowing customers to do various options to the design. I just want to make sure I have changed it everywhere that I am supposed to when i re-submit my designs. The explanation was not really clear and did not answer specific questions I had asked. I think we all really want to do things right and so we ask questions but sometimes they do not get answered. I suspect they are really busy and cannot take time to
be more specific to everyone's questions. But if anyone here in the forum can give me some direction it would be appreciated.


The place you are looking for is on the publish page right above the royalty box. Make sure that is turned to "NO".

-Maliisa



Thank you for taking time to respond Maliisa! And about the gray and blue options--I always assume gray is the one indicating "not allowed" (pretty standard) and blue is the "allowed" (on the design pages) but this rejection made me question what I did. Now I know that it was on the publish page above the royalty box where I should have been making the designation. Appreciate it!


You are very welcome!

Malissa
(Not that it matters much, but I can’t believe I messed up my own name so bad in the post up there Laughing that’s what I get for using my phone I guess....


well I wouldn't ever have noticed if you hadn't pointed it out. Laughing
Posted: Wednesday, August 07, 2019 5:47:05 PM
I was very disappointed to find that 2 abstract designs I tried yesterday were rejected today. Similar to the ones that were approved. Same reason as everyone else. I just deleted them and I’m going to move on to making other items until these get clear guidelines.
Posted: Wednesday, August 07, 2019 8:11:09 PM

I have a new question.

I was just browsing afridrilles on my phone and when I chose the filter to search by designer store neither one of my stores is on the list. I have over 60 pair published now and both of my stores have rank above 4.

Why aren’t my stores on the list?
Posted: Wednesday, August 07, 2019 8:38:06 PM
Shelli Fitzpatrick wrote:

I have a new question.

I was just browsing afridrilles on my phone and when I chose the filter to search by designer store neither one of my stores is on the list. I have over 60 pair published now and both of my stores have rank above 4.

Why aren’t my stores on the list?


Because there are now so many designs that yours no longer appear on the first 17 pages that they show.... I can find my store if I switch to mens only or do a more specific search, but otherwise the tidal wave has overtaken me too...
Posted: Wednesday, August 07, 2019 11:40:03 PM
Invincible Penguin wrote:
Shelli Fitzpatrick wrote:

I have a new question.

I was just browsing afridrilles on my phone and when I chose the filter to search by designer store neither one of my stores is on the list. I have over 60 pair published now and both of my stores have rank above 4.

Why aren’t my stores on the list?


Because there are now so many designs that yours no longer appear on the first 17 pages that they show.... I can find my store if I switch to mens only or do a more specific search, but otherwise the tidal wave has overtaken me too...


Thanks but I thought I had at least one pair on about page 5 or 6. That’s a long way to get bumped! Lol.

Okay I just scrolled through and I have a pair on page 10 but the store they are in is not on the list. So again my question is why? That store is a zRank 4. Is not a 4 enough? It shouldn’t matter. If you have shoes there your store should be also.

Posted: Thursday, August 08, 2019 12:16:29 AM
Shelli Fitzpatrick wrote:
Invincible Penguin wrote:
Shelli Fitzpatrick wrote:

I have a new question.

I was just browsing afridrilles on my phone and when I chose the filter to search by designer store neither one of my stores is on the list. I have over 60 pair published now and both of my stores have rank above 4.

Why aren’t my stores on the list?


Because there are now so many designs that yours no longer appear on the first 17 pages that they show.... I can find my store if I switch to mens only or do a more specific search, but otherwise the tidal wave has overtaken me too...


Thanks but I thought I had at least one pair on about page 5 or 6. That’s a long way to get bumped! Lol.

Okay I just scrolled through and I have a pair on page 10 but the store they are in is not on the list. So again my question is why? That store is a zRank 4. Is not a 4 enough? It shouldn’t matter. If you have shoes there your store should be also.



I'm currently with two on page one if your sort by newest but I didn't make the store list. Maybe if one of my afridrilles sold and lands on the first pages of popular, it might. It is not unlikely, that this list is curated by popular and rank has nothing to do with it.
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Posted: Thursday, August 08, 2019 4:10:11 AM
vivendulies wrote:
Shelli Fitzpatrick wrote:
Invincible Penguin wrote:
Shelli Fitzpatrick wrote:

I have a new question.

I was just browsing afridrilles on my phone and when I chose the filter to search by designer store neither one of my stores is on the list. I have over 60 pair published now and both of my stores have rank above 4.

Why aren’t my stores on the list?


Because there are now so many designs that yours no longer appear on the first 17 pages that they show.... I can find my store if I switch to mens only or do a more specific search, but otherwise the tidal wave has overtaken me too...


Thanks but I thought I had at least one pair on about page 5 or 6. That’s a long way to get bumped! Lol.

Okay I just scrolled through and I have a pair on page 10 but the store they are in is not on the list. So again my question is why? That store is a zRank 4. Is not a 4 enough? It shouldn’t matter. If you have shoes there your store should be also.





I'm currently with two on page one if your sort by newest but I didn't make the store list. Maybe if one of my afridrilles sold and lands on the first pages of popular, it might. It is not unlikely, that this list is curated by popular and rank has nothing to do with it.
·△·


I guess.

So, yet another way to not be seen by shoppers.
Posted: Thursday, August 08, 2019 4:41:02 AM
When playing at searching Espadrilles yesterday, I ran into the same thing as in every other product: the strip of suggested keywords for customers to search on is vapid. Fine. Zazzle can’t begin to intuit what people might be looking for. But “cute” and things of that ilk? The real problem is that, though there’s a search box, it’s light gray as if deactivated. It could use more prominence. I know it’s there, but even I tend to miss it at first because my eye is drawn to the bright blue row of meaningless words. Go to the Espadrilles page to see what I mean. Try some of the suggested words, then run your own more targeted searches, and finally, look at the setup as a customer might. To my mind, the suggested words will lead designers to using them in hopes of being found even if their designs have other aspects that might be more likely to attract buyers.

I believe a lot of great designers are sabotaged by the blue ribbon of suggested words, and it may be even more so with this product since it’s restricted to patterns and solid colors.
Posted: Thursday, August 08, 2019 4:45:18 AM
I just had my first pair rejected for design reasons. It's the same placement as at least two others that were approved, just a textured design. The thing is, those other two are pretty abstract, whereas this one is just a dark color with some black in it that gives it a textured look. I would have thought the textured one would get approved, if I were to hazard a guess between the three.

Think I'm gonna give it a rest too, until the guidelines are clearer. I have a pretty good haul for now anyway. Smile I just cleaned up my store quite a bit and am working on new stuff, so I'll just focus on that in the meantime. Smile
Posted: Thursday, August 08, 2019 5:48:41 AM
Shelli Fitzpatrick wrote:
Invincible Penguin wrote:
Shelli Fitzpatrick wrote:

I have a new question.

I was just browsing afridrilles on my phone and when I chose the filter to search by designer store neither one of my stores is on the list. I have over 60 pair published now and both of my stores have rank above 4.

Why aren’t my stores on the list?


Because there are now so many designs that yours no longer appear on the first 17 pages that they show.... I can find my store if I switch to mens only or do a more specific search, but otherwise the tidal wave has overtaken me too...


Thanks but I thought I had at least one pair on about page 5 or 6. That’s a long way to get bumped! Lol.

Okay I just scrolled through and I have a pair on page 10 but the store they are in is not on the list. So again my question is why? That store is a zRank 4. Is not a 4 enough? It shouldn’t matter. If you have shoes there your store should be also.


Hmmm - you are right. I found a pair of mine on page 4, but I'm not listed in the designer list... If I narrow it down to men's only, I do find my store...

I noticed quite a number of designs from one particular store, but they are not in the list of designers either.
Sometimes I just don't get it .... I try to see a logical system, but I'm not sure there is one...

speaking of no rhyme or reason... I was just looking through my espadrilles. The pair I found on page 4 when the sort is "popular" actually has no views, yet pairs I have that do have views don't appear on the first 17 pages....
Posted: Thursday, August 08, 2019 6:22:06 AM
Colorwash wrote:
I believe a lot of great designers are sabotaged by the blue ribbon of suggested words

Agreed - Zazzle does an excellent job of shielding its customers from the diversity of offerings inhabiting their platform.
Posted: Thursday, August 08, 2019 6:27:14 AM
Addressing the approval process: the POD that I used to be on had so many designers complaining about rejections and the fact that some of the reviewers were also designers, it was finally decided that if a reviewer decided a certain design was not acceptable, a fellow reviewer had to approve the rejection.

I left that POD site and no longer design there, mostly because of the review process and the amount of rejections for obscure reasons and unreasonable reasons;One example the site was only greeting cards, if the text on the front covered any part of the design it was unacceptable. Any public domain image had to be significantly altered and the source of both images and fonts had to be provided.

I kept my account open on that site and still have almost daily sales of my designs.

I am glad that Zazzle only has a few items that have to be approved. And I know from experience that disagreeing with a reviewer is like disagreeing with the boss, it comes back to bite you in the butt. Best to just shrug and move on.
Posted: Thursday, August 08, 2019 7:58:23 AM
Maz wrote:
The screenshots are from this video
https://youtu.be/ngUsLR33JSU

Yes. Thankyou for providing the link.
Posted: Thursday, August 08, 2019 8:26:08 AM
Colorwash wrote:
When playing at searching Espadrilles yesterday, I ran into the same thing as in every other product: the strip of suggested keywords for customers to search on is vapid. Fine. Zazzle can’t begin to intuit what people might be looking for. But “cute” and things of that ilk? ... I believe a lot of great designers are sabotaged by the blue ribbon of suggested words, and it may be even more so with this product since it’s restricted to patterns and solid colors.

I did some pretty detailed "research" with search & the blue suggested keyword boxes a while back. I don't want to search the forums for that thread but it boils down to that those blue-box suggestions are pulled from the tags of the results. So if say your first search yields 100 results and you then click one of the suggested words, now you've filtered those 100 down to just the ones with that additional tag in it. Choose another blue box word from there, you've filtered again ... the deeper you go the more uh, unusual the suggestions get because they are coming from our own product tags, Zazzle is not making them up out of thin air. ;)
(Another reason why, IMHO, we're not helping ourselves by using such broad and virtually meaningless tags as "cute". Such words are so overused they don't help in setting one's products apart from the rest, they just get us included in the thousands of other products also using that term, which becomes a popular suggested word. It's a vicious circle.)
Posted: Thursday, August 08, 2019 8:39:44 AM
Col's Creations wrote:
Colorwash wrote:
When playing at searching Espadrilles yesterday, I ran into the same thing as in every other product: the strip of suggested keywords for customers to search on is vapid. Fine. Zazzle can’t begin to intuit what people might be looking for. But “cute” and things of that ilk? ... I believe a lot of great designers are sabotaged by the blue ribbon of suggested words, and it may be even more so with this product since it’s restricted to patterns and solid colors.

I did some pretty detailed "research" with search & the blue suggested keyword boxes a while back. I don't want to search the forums for that thread but it boils down to that those blue-box suggestions are pulled from the tags of the results. So if say your first search yields 100 results and you then click one of the suggested words, now you've filtered those 100 down to just the ones with that additional tag in it. Choose another blue box word from there, you've filtered again ... the deeper you go the more uh, unusual the suggestions get because they are coming from our own product tags, Zazzle is not making them up out of thin air. ;)
(Another reason why, IMHO, we're not helping ourselves by using such broad and virtually meaningless tags as "cute". Such words are so overused they don't help in setting one's products apart from the rest, they just get us included in the thousands of other products also using that term, which becomes a popular suggested word. It's a vicious circle.)


If you incorporate the word "cute" into a long tail phrase it can help because now not only can the phrase be searched but also each individual word in that phrase.

I can envision people typing somthing like "cute comfortable shoes"

If I have a tag "cute abstract design" or "cute fun abstract pattern"

I have a chance of showing up in the search results just on the word cute.

adding:

I just tested that search term "cute comfy shoes"

while many items come up that are not shoes there is a whole row on the front page 9th row down that is 4 pairs of my afridrille designs.
Posted: Thursday, August 08, 2019 8:51:15 AM
Yes, those search terms do come from our tags, and unfortunately, a lot of people don't necessarily tag according to their designs. It's obvious when designs come up that aren't the least related to the search. I wish there was more to it than relying on the designer's ability to tag well and to do so without playing games.

As for these shoes, given that the designs are almost exclusively patterns, it's wasted space to tag them with just plain "pattern," but pattern was definitely one of the blue buttons. On the other hand, color is vital, but when I looked at the blue ribbon tags, there wasn't a single color mentioned. Maybe there is today. I'll have to look.
Posted: Thursday, August 08, 2019 11:41:50 AM
randysgrandma wrote:
Addressing the approval process: the POD that I used to be on had so many designers complaining about rejections and the fact that some of the reviewers were also designers, it was finally decided that if a reviewer decided a certain design was not acceptable, a fellow reviewer had to approve the rejection.

I left that POD site and no longer design there, mostly because of the review process and the amount of rejections for obscure reasons and unreasonable reasons;One example the site was only greeting cards, if the text on the front covered any part of the design it was unacceptable. Any public domain image had to be significantly altered and the source of both images and fonts had to be provided.

I kept my account open on that site and still have almost daily sales of my designs.

I am glad that Zazzle only has a few items that have to be approved. And I know from experience that disagreeing with a reviewer is like disagreeing with the boss, it comes back to bite you in the butt. Best to just shrug and move on.


I bet I can guess which POD you are talking about, I left there as well but I did not leave my cards. long story, but several of my friends are still there if it is the one I think you are referring to.
Posted: Thursday, August 08, 2019 1:46:19 PM
Denise Beverly wrote:
randysgrandma wrote:
Addressing the approval process: the POD that I used to be on had so many designers complaining about rejections and the fact that some of the reviewers were also designers, it was finally decided that if a reviewer decided a certain design was not acceptable, a fellow reviewer had to approve the rejection.

I left that POD site and no longer design there, mostly because of the review process and the amount of rejections for obscure reasons and unreasonable reasons;One example the site was only greeting cards, if the text on the front covered any part of the design it was unacceptable. Any public domain image had to be significantly altered and the source of both images and fonts had to be provided.

I kept my account open on that site and still have almost daily sales of my designs.

I am glad that Zazzle only has a few items that have to be approved. And I know from experience that disagreeing with a reviewer is like disagreeing with the boss, it comes back to bite you in the butt. Best to just shrug and move on.


I bet I can guess which POD you are talking about, I left there as well but I did not leave my cards. long story, but several of my friends are still there if it is the one I think you are referring to.


does it start with GCU by any chance? I looked at it once but opted not to try it since greeting cards are not my specialty. I figured just art based notecards wouldn't do that well.
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