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Fit2BeTied
Posted: Thursday, May 08, 2008 10:39:01 AM

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'K I'm just looking at this, what I wanted was the star thing...not the whole website to affiliate pick-up add numbers thing. So what do I do? Just put my url with a star at the end or do I need the whole affiliate account???

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mousearte
Posted: Thursday, May 08, 2008 11:21:19 AM

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Just add the * to your URL on any links you have on forums or websites and if someone buys something using that link you get 7% more. You must sign up for the affiliate account to have it work though.
Fit2BeTied
Posted: Thursday, May 08, 2008 11:50:34 AM

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Okay, so I have a website do I put that as the url or the store url where it asks for the website when you register??
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Posted: Thursday, May 08, 2008 1:05:19 PM

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I've looked all over and I can't find any mention of the star which used to be all over the place as a simpler way to affiliate. So has that changed???...
mousearte
Posted: Thursday, May 08, 2008 1:09:58 PM

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It's http://www.zazzle.com/mk/star/home look to the left it says grab your star and you use your zazzle URL Happy
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Posted: Thursday, May 08, 2008 2:06:55 PM

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But! A word of caution! Apparently search engines have a real problem with the star, so it's better to use the star only for things that are intended for human consumption (like hard-copy print; business cards, etc.), or of course as href links. So, in the case of href links, something like:

<a href="http://www.zazzle.com/wilddeej*">http://www.zazzle.com/wilddeej</a>

...might be a wise usage. The search engines will "see" the one without the star, but anyone who clicks on the link will "follow the star"!Grin
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Posted: Thursday, May 08, 2008 3:19:46 PM

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wilddeej wrote:
<a href="http://www.zazzle.com/wilddeej*">http://www.zazzle.com/wilddeej*</a>


<a href="http://www.zazzle.com/wilddeej*">http://www.zazzle.com/wilddeej</a>

You probably mean this?

I think search engines would probably see both... and might put more stead in the first one in the <a> tag since they'd be following it like a human would, but I don't really know a great deal about how search engines see things (and to be honest, no-one really does because the search engines aren't about to tell you how they do things as that would just result in people manipulating the system more)

Because there has been some concern over Google going against affiliate links some ways to mask an url have been used more often recently but a lot are probably banned by search engines for dishonesty.

I think best thing to do is design your sites for yourself and for humans. Be mindful of search engines but different search engines deal with things differently.

If an asterisk in a link really is a problem then maybe people should be complaining to Zazzle to change their affiliate system, because what is the point in an affiliate system that people can't use...?

To be honest I have recently been looking into affiliate stuff with other sites and none of them had an asterisk, usually they just tack a word, name or id number to the end of the link address.
Fit2BeTied
Posted: Thursday, May 08, 2008 5:14:49 PM

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mousearte wrote:
It's http://www.zazzle.com/mk/star/home look to the left it says grab your star and you use your zazzle URL Happy


Thanks for posting the link! Smile I just clicked the grab your star link, it popped up a become a affiliate button, clicked the button and it just gave it to me,I didn't have to fill anything out. That was fun! Grin

Fit2BeTied
Posted: Thursday, May 08, 2008 5:29:29 PM

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wilddeej wrote:
But! A word of caution! Apparently search engines have a real problem with the star, so it's better to use the star only for things that are intended for human consumption (like hard-copy print; business cards, etc.), or of course as href links. So, in the case of href links, something like:

<a href="http://www.zazzle.com/wilddeej*">http://www.zazzle.com/wilddeej*</a>

...might be a wise usage. The search engines will "see" the one without the star, but anyone who clicks on the link will "follow the star"!Grin


Laughing Thanks Wilddeej!And here's me with 250 biz cards without the star! Okay, next time. Happy
Fit2BeTied
Posted: Thursday, May 08, 2008 5:33:24 PM

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GerbilGoods wrote:
wilddeej wrote:
<a href="http://www.zazzle.com/wilddeej*">http://www.zazzle.com/wilddeej*</a>


<a href="http://www.zazzle.com/wilddeej*">http://www.zazzle.com/wilddeej</a>

You probably mean this?

I think search engines would probably see both... and might put more stead in the first one in the <a> tag since they'd be following it like a human would, but I don't really know a great deal about how search engines see things (and to be honest, no-one really does because the search engines aren't about to tell you how they do things as that would just result in people manipulating the system more)

Because there has been some concern over Google going against affiliate links some ways to mask an url have been used more often recently but a lot are probably banned by search engines for dishonesty.

I think best thing to do is design your sites for yourself and for humans. Be mindful of search engines but different search engines deal with things differently.

If an asterisk in a link really is a problem then maybe people should be complaining to Zazzle to change their affiliate system, because what is the point in an affiliate system that people can't use...?

To be honest I have recently been looking into affiliate stuff with other sites and none of them had an asterisk, usually they just tack a word, name or id number to the end of the link address.


I ran a test (sorta) on that, before I got the star. I typed in my store url with a star in my top bar and it just went there. No I have no idea what that proves if anything! ;-)
mousearte
Posted: Thursday, May 08, 2008 5:37:08 PM

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Somehow when someone clicks the link with the star in it and then buys something it's supposed to tell the powers that be that it was an 'affiliate sale' so you get the extra % on that sale. It doesn't have anything to do with the actual URL if you type it in for a search, as a matter of fact I'm finding some places won't accept the URL if you try to put the star in it.
Fit2BeTied
Posted: Thursday, May 08, 2008 5:52:09 PM

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mousearte wrote:
Somehow when someone clicks the link with the star in it and then buys something it's supposed to tell the powers that be that it was an 'affiliate sale' so you get the extra % on that sale. It doesn't have anything to do with the actual URL if you type it in for a search, as a matter of fact I'm finding some places won't accept the URL if you try to put the star in it.


What I was thinking is to get it into a bookmark, course that would require explanation, something like...to bookmark this site please use this address: zazzle.com/fit2betied* (without the html)

EDIT: No, that doesn't work it converts to the regular url when you bookmark it...
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Posted: Thursday, May 08, 2008 7:37:52 PM

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That's what I mean about the *, it seems to be Zazzle specific and very picky about where it can be used
wilddeej
Posted: Thursday, May 08, 2008 9:22:55 PM

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GerbilGoods wrote:
wilddeej wrote:
<a href="http://www.zazzle.com/wilddeej*">http://www.zazzle.com/wilddeej*</a>


<a href="http://www.zazzle.com/wilddeej*">http://www.zazzle.com/wilddeej</a>

You probably mean this?


Of course that's what I meant! And now that you pointed out my goof, I fixed it to be correct now, too... (thanx!)Grin

...and...

GerbilGoods wrote:
I think search engines would probably see both... and might put more stead in the first one in the <a> tag since they'd be following it like a human would, but I don't really know a great deal about how search engines see things (and to be honest, no-one really does because the search engines aren't about to tell you how they do things as that would just result in people manipulating the system more)

Because there has been some concern over Google going against affiliate links some ways to mask an url have been used more often recently but a lot are probably banned by search engines for dishonesty.

I think best thing to do is design your sites for yourself and for humans. Be mindful of search engines but different search engines deal with things differently.

If an asterisk in a link really is a problem then maybe people should be complaining to Zazzle to change their affiliate system, because what is the point in an affiliate system that people can't use...?

To be honest I have recently been looking into affiliate stuff with other sites and none of them had an asterisk, usually they just tack a word, name or id number to the end of the link address.


Yes, I agree with all of the above (especially about Zazzle fixing it, since it doesn't work well with search engines). In fact, there is a non-star way to get at least something like your affiliate account without the star.
I stumbled upon it accidentally. To find it,

1) Go to a product in someone else's store and click on the "Link to this" link under the product options box.

2) Highlight and cut (ctrl-c) the Option 1: Link for Email or IM entry. For example, I grabbed http://www.zazzle.com/inganielsen/product/228098039609258307?dim=59.0009x39.3306in&width=22.5&height=14.9987&size=small&rf=238267604486860157&CMPN=ltte

3) See the rf=238267604486860157 part I highlighted above? That's wilddeej's personal referral ID - yours will be different if you do the same thing on the same product. So, I can now tack that info on to the end of my "vanilla" Zazzle address; http://www.zazzle.com/wilddeej?rf=238267604486860157 (essentially substituting ?rf=238267604486860157 for the star - yes, the question mark is significant!). Be sure and use your referral ID, not mine - unless you really want me to get the referral bonus (for which I will be grateful, but is probably not what you really intended)!

Try the link, it will take you to my top-level page, and with my "reference ID" set (so if you buy anything while you're there, I'll get both royalty and referral for it - well OK, that probably doesn't apply if you're a Zazzler yourself, but you get the idea, right)?

Now you know how to do the star without the star! The moral of the story? Use the star for printed stuff that humans would see/use, and the &rf=lahDeDah everywhere computers are involved...Grin
wilddeej
Posted: Thursday, May 08, 2008 9:24:23 PM

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Fit2BeTied wrote:

Laughing Thanks Wilddeej!And here's me with 250 biz cards without the star! Okay, next time. Happy


D'oh! I hate when that happens! Fortunately, I know a good site where you can get some biz cards custom-printed with the fix...Grin
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Posted: Thursday, May 08, 2008 9:34:37 PM

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mousearte wrote:
Somehow when someone clicks the link with the star in it and then buys something it's supposed to tell the powers that be that it was an 'affiliate sale' so you get the extra % on that sale. It doesn't have anything to do with the actual URL if you type it in for a search, as a matter of fact I'm finding some places won't accept the URL if you try to put the star in it.


Zazzle's web site is set up special to translate that star to track your referral ID (that complicated long rf=number I mention a couple of posts ago). I don't know of any other site that does it this way. I've got some other affiliate linking stuff set up, and everyone else does it using something other than a star...

It's a cool idea. Undoubtedly they set it up this way because it is so much easier to ask someone to go to http://www.zazzle.com/wilddeej* instead of http://www.zazzle.com/wilddeej?rf=238267604486860157 - can you imagine putting that on a business card and expecting anyone to actually try typing it in correctly? If only the search engines didn't barf on it, and it would actually stay in a saved bookmark!

(No, I don't work at Zazzle and know their internals, but I do work very closely with web site set up, design, and programming, so I have some experience in the area!)Grin
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Posted: Friday, May 09, 2008 8:24:01 AM

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it would be great if our accounts just automatically had the affiliate attached to it. We may not all have websites, but we all have email and we all do at least something to promote our shops. So it would be great to have it set so our regular url just automatically assumed the affiliate referal instead of having to specifically sign up to be an affiliate.
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Posted: Friday, May 09, 2008 10:27:38 AM

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KRWBusinessCards wrote:
So it would be great to have it set so our regular url just automatically assumed the affiliate referal instead of having to specifically sign up to be an affiliate.


You mean just using the link without the star?
There'd be no visible difference then between your referred link and a non-referred link so a online system wouldn't see a difference either. So Amazon and Zazzle etc. have people sign up to their affiliate / associate programs so as to give you a unique identification to differentiate you from the crowd and track your earnings properly without confusion.

I agree though it might be cool if sellers automatically got their "star" during the signup process if thats what you mean? Since I assume everyone is automatically interested in earning extra money. Still its pretty easy to sign up for the star, just takes a few clicks. I found the star thingy on my first day so not too complicated but maybe thats just me since I'm familiar with associate/affiliate things from other sites now.

Thanks for finding that out wildeej, very interesting.

So with that said would using the referall ID number instead of the star still convert into a recognised referall link and track things properly? Or does the server rely on the star to convert..... I guess thats a question for Zazzle maybe.
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Posted: Friday, May 09, 2008 10:45:03 AM

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GerbilGoods wrote:

Thanks for finding that out wildeej, very interesting.

So with that said would using the referall ID number instead of the star still convert into a recognised referall link and track things properly? Or does the server rely on the star to convert..... I guess thats a question for Zazzle maybe.


Yes, using the &rf=yadaYadaYada will do (ok, should do is the best I can really assert, not being in the Zazzle development squad) exactly the same thing as the star. However, it will be in a computer/search-engine friendly way (but definitely not in a human-friendly way!)Grin
Fit2BeTied
Posted: Friday, May 09, 2008 10:58:32 AM

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wilddeej wrote:
Fit2BeTied wrote:

Laughing Thanks Wilddeej!And here's me with 250 biz cards without the star! Okay, next time. Happy


D'oh! I hate when that happens! Fortunately, I know a good site where you can get some biz cards custom-printed with the fix...Grin


I make them myself, they're premade graphic backgrounds (like a template, except serrated (sp?) so you can bend out the individual cards) They cost about 8 dollars for 250...I'm just lazy oh, and cheap (lol) I want to get my 8 bucks worth. Don't they have those in the US???...
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