Is quick create worth it?
sodashirts
Posted: Saturday, April 17, 2010 3:59:58 PM
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I'm still a noob. I left cafepress about this time last year, and still haven't had much time to convert and make new designs. So I still am new to zazzle and learning.

Quick Create, I used this feature for the first time trying to add a design on more than one product at once. I would like to show a variety of apparel for each design when going to my shop. This then will look more like a real store, I don't think everyone is going to realize you can change the shirt type when just looking at my store.

So I went to quick create, chose "All Apparel" deleted tie and some others I didn't want to offer. But where was hoodie? After deleting kids shirts and some dark apparel that wouldn't go with the design, I ended up with 3 shirts. Which was pretty disappointing. I then filled out the info and clicked Done. Got some small text about it maybe taking 24 hours to create the products. Didn't actually think it would. But it is now almost 24 hours and the shirts still aren't there.

Am I doing something wrong? Or is this tool worthless?
GLManley
Posted: Saturday, April 17, 2010 4:08:23 PM
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I don't like QC. It fills the MP with unnecessary products. It takes a long while for products to post. And then you still have to go in and edit all the products because you can only tag products with tags relevant to THAT product, etc. A design isn't needed on every style, size, and color of every product that Zazzle offers. Leave a note for the customer in the description and/or subtitle letting it be known the style, size, and color can be changed. Only use multiple shirts if a design can be placed on light, dark, male, female, child. Show ONE light (maybe on female), ONE dark (maybe on male), and show ONE child with a hoodie (if design is suitable for a hoodie).
sweasel
Posted: Saturday, April 17, 2010 4:17:49 PM
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Oof! I go back and forth on this one.

I delete about half the stuff QC creates. I have to tinker with the rest of it.

On the other hand, it's nice to have the description, keywords and (especially) categories pre-filled for me.

At the moment, QC is *so slow* I'm going to give it a pass for a while. But I'm still torn.
sodashirts
Posted: Saturday, April 17, 2010 4:18:45 PM
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GLManley wrote:
I don't like QC. It fills the MP with unnecessary products. It takes a long while for products to post. And then you still have to go in and edit all the products because you can only tag products with tags relevant to THAT product, etc. A design isn't needed on every style, size, and color of every product that Zazzle offers. Leave a note for the customer in the description and/or subtitle letting it be known the style, size, and color can be changed. Only use multiple shirts if a design can be placed on light, dark, male, female, child. Show ONE light (maybe on female), ONE dark (maybe on male), and show ONE child with a hoodie (if design is suitable for a hoodie).


Well this is exactly what I want to do. Put the design on a men's t-shirt, Woman's t-shirt, hoodie, long sleeve shirt, onesie, kids shirt. I am just looking to show enough of a variety like female, male, baby that is available while a customer is in my store.

And what do you mean about tags? I figured tags were short descriptions of the design not the product.
GLManley
Posted: Saturday, April 17, 2010 4:21:21 PM
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Tags (keywords) are relevant to design, product, and artist (shopkeeper).
The description goes in the description area and that is also relevant to the design and product. I also add to that the program in which I used to create the design.

You can make one shirt and, after it posts, go back to it, click customize and change the style, color, model and submit that and (possibly) not have to change anything in the description/tag area. Keep doing that until you have the shirts that you need represented. It is quicker than QC.
sodashirts
Posted: Saturday, April 17, 2010 4:40:04 PM
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GLManley wrote:
Tags (keywords) are relevant to design, product, and artist (shopkeeper).
The description goes in the description area and that is also relevant to the design and product. I also add to that the program in which I used to create the design.

You can make one shirt and, after it posts, go back to it, click customize and change the style, color, model and submit that and (possibly) not have to change anything in the description/tag area. Keep doing that until you have the shirts that you need represented. It is quicker than QC.


Okay, that sounds like a good plan. Seems like I did this before and forgot! Thought I would try quick create. I am not looking to put my design on ALL the products, just a variety to show in my store, and this sounds like the way to do it. Thanks again for your help.
GLManley
Posted: Saturday, April 17, 2010 4:46:18 PM
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Hopefully others will chime in. Some folk like the QC and have ways of making it easier. But, for me, it just takes too much time and I get product in my store a lot quicker by doing them one at a time.
AudreyJeanne
Posted: Saturday, April 17, 2010 4:53:00 PM
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I do the same as GLManley. It takes the longest time to create the first product, but then I create the next ones in just minutes, some times even just seconds depending on how much I change. If it is only a background image and the text remains the same it's a cinch.

Also, if I am creating say an aqua wedding invitation, I pick one out of my aqua wedding invitations to start with and I'm half way there, my categories, colors etc. are there and I just have to change the description for that particular design and the key words and I'm in business!
shopaholicchick
Posted: Saturday, April 17, 2010 6:48:58 PM
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quick create is ONLY worth if like in cafepress you go in and make your own template section to pull from.

using zazzle's premade QC template is like using "sets" in cafepress - which you may not even be familiar with since they are rather archaic

i have a tutor on my website which links in my post below - that will help you set up the tempalte and use quick create effectively if you wish to give it a try.
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Posted: Saturday, April 17, 2010 8:56:54 PM

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GLManley wrote:
You can make one shirt and, after it posts, go back to it, click customize and change the style, color, model and submit that and (possibly) not have to change anything in the description/tag area. Keep doing that until you have the shirts that you need represented. It is quicker than QC.


i think this is rather pointless because the customer can change the shirt to any style, color, and size they want anyways if customization is enabled (which it should be), therefore you only need the 1 (or 1 black 1 white for both men and women)

i like quick create. you kind of get a pattern down. it creates a sticker, keychain and magnet, with large image and small image. usually the large image is blown out of frame. sometimes this looks good, like



if it doesnt look good, or words go out of frame, i delete the large ones and leave the small

on the cup with the images on both sides i hit the + (increase size button) twice on the top design (right) and two +s and one --> (arrow to the right) for the bottom design. this makes both designs larger and puts them at equal distances from the handle. very few times does this not work. if it doesn't, for instance if you have words at the very bottom of the design and increasing size 2 times blows them out of frame, i'll leave it the same size.

for the ties i usually select all and increase 3 times. this makes all the images a bit larger and easier to see, especially type.

the bumper stickers usually never work out, so i delete them.

on the shirts i used to click the fill button on the mens, but sometimes this makes the designs too big. sometimes you have to use the up or down arrows to center the design more on the mans chest (like half above the pecks, half below) or right over the girls boobs (half above half below). haha, i said boobs.

1 problem i've noticed, on the little girls shirt, it's always facking like right above her stomach, so you usually have to use the up arrow button to get to actually where it should be. this can happen on the other kids shirt styles as well.

i usually leave the baby stuff alone

on the single image mug increasing the size will usually blow the image out of frame so i leave it. i do click the center view on the mug so it faces you and you can see it. why the left side is default, leave that to zazzle logic.

the cards and other paper stuff is usually ok. you can increase if you want or fill. or leave them.

the mousepads you can increase the image if you want, but it's usually good the way it is.

the hats are hit and miss, i usually hit fill and that's good enough, but sometimes i increase the size with a few +s

i usually hit fill on the bag as well. makes the design larger (orly?)


Now, if you are using Just a white font for type, it usually wont show up (because the stuff is white). so it's usually a good idea to put a stroke around the font (if using photoshop) colored black (or any color other than white) so people can at least see it's there, and they can change the background color to what they want (you can also post "Change the background color to whatever you want!" to easily bypass this or the following -) if you are really ambitious you can change the background color on every item so the font shows up, but don't be surprised if you want to slit your wrists afterwards.

then click create now, it brings you to the screen where you fill in the fields. choose category 1 and 2 and where you want these designs to go. fill in the name, and then i do teh following: i put in ee for each field after. this way i can go right on to the next one and think about tags and product descrip after the stuff posts to your store. this stuff can really slow you down. plus another advantage of this is that say, like, you are creating several different items with the same picture but with different text, like my MalaBrute line, for instance =P, which has 16 different pics of the dog laughing and then saying something underneath - once all these items post to your store, you can go back to the MalaBrute category, select show 100, select all, and then click edit, and then enter in "brutastic!" for the secondary description, "that's one low down dirty dog." for the main description, and put in all your tags for that line. also, any posters or binders or anything else you created Outside the quick create products will now get the decriptions as well. because you don't really need to have something completely different for each product descrip when creating 100s of products at once like that. well, in my humble opinion, anways.

for the record i try to make all my designs at 3000x3000 and 1000 dpi. this seems to work out for the most part.

as for time it takes to post, well, perhaps this picture will help. ie, live with it. sometimes it all posts in an hour. my recent FAIL line took them almost 2 days tho, ffs. you win some, you lose some.

hopes that help. it's not all bad, just have to get used to the way it works.

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Posted: Sunday, April 18, 2010 7:16:48 AM
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bread if you made your own tempalte you would not have to go thru deleting all the bad ones - you could also include products that zazzle does not put in their "all" category like posters, stamps, letterhead, stationary & more...
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Posted: Sunday, April 18, 2010 3:04:35 PM
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I used shopaholic's tutorial to create my own templates containing the products I want to put the design on. Then use QC to make them. It's worth the waiting a day for the templates to come through.

I used them for my dad's illustrations and my flowers and roses. In QC I use a simple description that fits all, same for the tags and I put them in the right category, set my price and click ok.
When they come through I select all products with the same design and add a more extensive description. Then I select them on products and add the product's name in the description and add product tags.

Works fine with me, because I hate to make descriptions and tags each time I make a product. And I can still throw out products if the design I use on the templates doesn't quite fit and one can always increase or decrease a design depending on the size of the picture used.
teepossible
Posted: Monday, April 19, 2010 4:17:26 AM
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We use QC all the time with a template we have. It's not perfect, and you do have to change some things to fit, but it's a whole lot quicker, at least for us, than doing it another way, and certainly quicker than at CP. Probably only takes us twenty minutes to put up a section, maybe more, but that's 1/3 the time it took there.
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Posted: Monday, April 19, 2010 7:20:34 AM
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For some of my side shops where the designs are pretty much just a single graphic, QC works fine and saves me some time. In Customizables, however, QC actually takes me longer than if I'd done the products one-at-a-time, since I still have to go through and add the text fields, set them up as templates, create my text effects, and all while dealing with a much smaller view of my product.

I do not advise posting a ton of redundant products. Post a few different colors and styles of shirts if you like, but don't overdo it. If a customer has to wade through several pages of products that all have the same design, they're going to assume there isn't much to see in your shop and move on to something else.
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Posted: Monday, April 19, 2010 7:52:53 AM
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custom you can make template fields in QC - but you are correct it can be difficult and you must remember to save it in QC as a template for same rather then a product for sale - which is a PITA to remember...my christmas shop is set up this way so each card can be personalized - but the templates alone for hat shop took me a week to make...
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Posted: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:09:48 AM
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shopaholicchick wrote:
custom you can make template fields in QC - but you are correct it can be difficult and you must remember to save it in QC as a template for same rather then a product for sale - which is a PITA to remember...my christmas shop is set up this way so each card can be personalized - but the templates alone for hat shop took me a week to make...
Yeah, I do things like drop shadow effects and outline effects by layering template objects over each other and off-setting them slightly, which is very difficult to do properly when the product design screen is so much smaller in QC.
shopaholicchick
Posted: Monday, April 19, 2010 4:16:12 PM
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i dont use QC to make them - i make them all individually and save them for use in QC - but i dont use zazzle text to create drop shadow and such - so i can understand not doing them in QC
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