Tinypic.com & Zazzle What the ???? 3 pages: 1 2 [3]
dogplay
Posted: Friday, March 26, 2010 6:02:21 AM
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I host my own images. It is pretty straightforward. You just need a web site of your own with sufficient storage capacity and bandwidth. You don't even need your own domain name. Exactly what is "sufficient storage capacity and bandwidth" depends upon how many images and how often people access them. While many free web sites won't allow image hosting (look for whether they allow hot linking to images) some will. I don't recommend them though. I recommend paying something. It puts you in a better legal position. A basic web site with adequate storage for the budding Zazzle store can be had for $5/month or less. Once you have what you need just upload the image, and grab the image location URL.

e.g. This would be perfect IF it is as billed. http://www.justhost.com/
I'm skeptical but it is worth looking into. There are many others in this price range. Some in this price range are kind of bait and switch (i.e. once you get there they tell you how completely inadequate the cheap plan is to get you to buy something more expensive). I have no idea of the credibility of this site but it isn't a bad place to start http://www.webhostingsearch.com/cheap-web-hosting.php
One_Planet
Posted: Friday, March 26, 2010 9:33:24 AM
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Thanks dogplay. It's something to keep in mind should PB start to pull a fast one.
AlRioArt
Posted: Friday, March 26, 2010 10:46:00 AM
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dogplay wrote:


e.g. This would be perfect IF it is as billed. http://www.justhost.com/


never hurts to do a Search on hosts at Web Hosting Talk.
Here's one thread about Just Host that may help. You'll have to take out the dots in the P.H.P. because Zazzle board do not like it.

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.p.h.p.?t=906952&highlight=justhost.com


dogplay
Posted: Friday, March 26, 2010 1:33:31 PM
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Nice resource. The "too good to be true" guideline are good ones. I've actually not researched providers for two-three years. I use PAIR.com which is solid, honest, reliable but not "cheap." but .. ah they have a new level mostly for image hosting. Still not "cheap" but they won't scam you. http://www.pair.com/services/web_hosting/
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Posted: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:37:30 PM

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http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=6icpw2&s=5&hid=1&tag=flowers

update, nothing has been done so far to stop this problem, i checked again today and the terrible products are still available.

come on Zazzle Team!! This can't be legalAngry


edit: it seems the link won't work inside the forum, so you have to copy and paste to your browser, photobucket isn't allowing the image to be shared either, i tried to paste the image code here and the "image has been removed" pic.

can't say i'm surprised.

the problem isn't fixed.they've just got better at hiding it.Angry Angry
thetruthz
Posted: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 4:54:10 PM
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you are incorrect. their API links no longer function. i'm guessing that's all zazzle can do on their end.

tz
dogplay
Posted: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 6:05:06 PM
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I also tested. It looks the same as it did before all the way up to where you try to actually "Buy It Now" - then you get an error.
tjustleft
Posted: Monday, April 19, 2010 1:09:18 AM
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dogplay wrote:
Looks like tinypic.com is owned by Photobucket


This is why I set my photobucket account to private after rereading their tos. I didn't catch it at first that people can buy prints of images in public accounts.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 2:08:19 PM

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Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Angry Angry Angry Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked


well, the links on tinypic may not work anymore, but photobucket has now partnered with Kodak! now you can get any shared photo on the site on any of the products Kodak makes! so things haven't gotten any better, now they just make it more official to rip off your photos and work!


UNBELIEVABLE!!!
bad_Onions
Posted: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 12:29:01 AM
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Yep, they basically grant themselves permission to do what they like with uploaded content that is not set to private.

Below is their lawyer speak expanded version of " We can do what the hell we like"

Proprietary Rights in Content on Photobucket.

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6.1 Photobucket does not claim any ownership rights in the text, files, images, photos, video, sounds, musical works, works of authorship, applications, or any other materials (collectively, "Content") that you post on or through the Photobucket Services. By displaying or publishing ("posting") any Content on or through the Photobucket Services, you hereby grant to Photobucket and other users a non-exclusive, fully paid and royalty-free, worldwide, limited license to use, modify, delete from, add to, publicly perform, publicly display, reproduce and translate such Content, including without limitation distributing part or all of the Site in any media formats through any media channels, except Content marked "private" will not be distributed outside the Photobucket Services. Photobucket and/or other Users may copy, print or display publicly available Content outside of the Photobucket Services, including without limitation, via the Site or third party websites or applications (for example, services allowing Users to order prints of Content or t-shirts and similar items containing Content). After you remove your Content from the Photobucket Website we will cease distribution as soon as practicable, and at such time when distribution ceases, the license to such Content will terminate. If after we have distributed your Content outside the Photobucket Website you change the Content’s privacy setting to "private," we will cease any further distribution of such "private" Content outside the Photobucket Website as soon as practicable.
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6.2 You represent and warrant that: (i) you own the Content posted by you on or through the Photobucket Services or otherwise have the right to grant the license set forth in this section, (ii) the posting and use of your Content on or through the Photobucket Services does not violate the privacy rights, publicity rights, copyrights, contract rights, intellectual property rights or any other rights of any person, and (iii) the posting of your Content on the Site does not result in a breach of contract between you and a third party. You agree to pay for all royalties, fees, and any other monies owing any person by reason of Content you post on or through the Photobucket Services.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 3:51:17 AM

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which basically covers their arses when someone uploads stolen art. I posted messages and emails to several very wide known artist last night. informing them of this. with links to the offending pages. hopefully some will take the time to see them.

photobucket has a responsibility here, whether they like it or not. It's not just the theft issues. it's a matter of privacy as well.

people post pictures of their children for use in family sites and what not. most don't know you can set you account to private. the thought that theoretically some stranger could have photos of my kids hanging on their walls or whatever, is just scary.

something like this could set the online art community back 10 years. all in the name of the money they'll make till the right person has enough money to sue their pants off.
dogplay
Posted: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 10:40:23 AM
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Photobucket users have a responsibility to (a) read the terms of service and (b) notice that there are links to stuff being sold. I don't like what Photobucket is doing but it isn't hidden. There has to be some balance between not allowing exploitation, and personal attention and responsibility. I think too much expecting others to watch out for our interests leads to a nanny society with associated freedom limitations. Photobucket is a SHARING site. If someone wants privacy they choose a service that makes privacy, not sharing, its priority.
gothictoggs
Posted: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 12:57:40 PM

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I appreciate that it is a sharing site. all i am saying is that Photobucket cannot simply absolve themselves of any liability because of their TOS. Granted, personal responsibility does play a major role. BUT, where you aware that any photo shared in your album can be immediately copied to someone else's with one click of the mouse? you simply click on a pic in anybodies album and click the link at the top that says "copy to my album".

most people who upload do so for their own personal use. and yes, most don't actually read the TOS otherwise they would see this:

"You represent and warrant that: (i) you own the Content posted by you on or through the Photobucket Services or otherwise have the right to grant the license set forth in this section, (ii) the posting and use of your Content on or through the Photobucket Services does not violate the privacy rights, publicity rights, copyrights, contract rights, intellectual property rights or any other rights of any person, and (iii) the posting of your Content on the Site does not result in a breach of contract between you and a third party. You agree to pay for all royalties, fees, and any other monies owing any person by reason of Content you post on or through the Photobucket Services."

if Photobucket is going to make a profit off of what is uploaded, then they better be prepared to accept the cost of legal battles if they do not find a way to fix the blatant copyright and trademark infringements that are so pervasive across their site. As of right now, there is nothing in place to "police" for lack of a better word, what is sold on these Kodak products.

Any image can be added to any product. even from someone eles' account.
that just screams trouble to me.


** just my opinion, and I apologize for being so long winded, but this subject is a sore one with me(as you all know)

we all work so hard to get our art out there and make a living with it. it really irritates me when i see blatant infringements on property rights and personal privacy, all in the name of corporate profits.

tjustleft
Posted: Sunday, April 25, 2010 2:17:05 PM
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dogplay wrote:
Photobucket users have a responsibility to (a) read the terms of service and (b) notice that there are links to stuff being sold. I don't like what Photobucket is doing but it isn't hidden. There has to be some balance between not allowing exploitation, and personal attention and responsibility. I think too much expecting others to watch out for our interests leads to a nanny society with associated freedom limitations. Photobucket is a SHARING site. If someone wants privacy they choose a service that makes privacy, not sharing, its priority.


I agree. It is my habit to read every tos of every site I sign up with. This time something slipped by me. Afterward I noticed the buy prints links. Then I did more research and found out that they won't sell prints from private accounts. I wasn't shocked though. They aren't giving away server space because they just love us so much Smile
dogplay
Posted: Sunday, April 25, 2010 4:43:51 PM
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gothictoggs wrote:
I appreciate that it is a sharing site. all i am saying is that Photobucket cannot simply absolve themselves of any liability because of their TOS. Granted, personal responsibility does play a major role. BUT, where you aware that any photo shared in your album can be immediately copied to someone else's with one click of the mouse? you simply click on a pic in anybodies album and click the link at the top that says "copy to my album".
Sure I knew that. When I was in need of image server space I looked into Photobucket. It's great for family / group casual sharing. When I looked at the site and what could be done with the images it seemed to me that the whole point was to make it easy to copy the image to someplace else. Look at what is says on their "about" page "Robust searching and browsing to find the latest and best photos, images, and videos to suit your mood or entertain your friends." Photobucket's press release on Kodak partnership

I figured that no one serious about their graphics would go anywhere near it. First thing I do with any service I'm thinking about is click, click, click. I want to find their "about" page, I want to find their FAQ page, I want to see their terms of service, and I want to know where they are based. As I said I don't like what Photobucket is doing but it isn't hidden so I just didn't use them. They aren't on my radar so I haven't tried to compare their infringement rate with Zazzle's.

(I can't claim to read in detail every single TOS, I don't. We take risks, we pay the price. BTDT)
pawsgirl
Posted: Sunday, April 25, 2010 8:17:34 PM
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This doesn't have anything to do with PB or TP, but those competitions that are run when a pet food company run a cometition for the "Cutest Pet" or something similar and then get the public to vote on it.
They also have in their Terms that you give up all ownership to the photos uploaded and that the pet food company can just use them as they want in any way they wish.

Jen

Just take a look through google images and see all the large size artwork that can be found there, especially from hosting sites.

gothictoggs
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it's true. I entered a shoe design contest a couple years back, for a major shoe company. not naming names. they wanted an exclusive right to even the losing designs, so they could sell them sometime in the future. and i have seen some of the losing designs that were very good on shoes. but the winner? never! i pulled my design halfway through the contest as i realized that it was a bunch of children voting for each other and not a serious contest.

*on a side note, the design i posted, with some minor changes, is my most popular Keds!

anyway, the point i was trying to make, is PB needs to find a way to check for images that are not owned by the uploader. there are several well known artists here on Zazzle that have had their work stolen over there. i have reported it to PB many times, they do nothing and the same designs get uploaed over and over.

So now, i simply go to the artists Zazzle shop, or their websites if they don't have a gallery,and email them directly with a link to the page. hopefully someone will get angry enough to get a lawyer.

most of the artists are very appreciative of it.



malibuitalian
Posted: Monday, April 26, 2010 3:48:06 AM
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pawsgirl wrote:
This doesn't have anything to do with PB or TP, but those competitions that are run when a pet food company run a cometition for the "Cutest Pet" or something similar and then get the public to vote on it.
They also have in their Terms that you give up all ownership to the photos uploaded and that the pet food company can just use them as they want in any way they wish.
EXACTLY right!
And it applies in all other "competition" markets as well. I entered a contest a few years ago where you submit a script for a commercial and if you win, they will use your commercial and you won money (can't recall the amount).

Well, I didn't win, but a month or so later my commercial idea was on TV (yes, produced by the company I submitted my idea to and using the exact wording in my script)!! I was soooo mad, but by entering the contest I gave up my "right" to the idea/script. And no, I don't think it was a coincidence either - they probably harvested tons of great ideas from people during that contest! Buyer beware - or should I say, contest entrant, beware Stick out tongue
dogplay
Posted: Monday, April 26, 2010 6:19:10 AM
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gothictoggs wrote:
anyway, the point i was trying to make, is PB needs to find a way to check for images that are not owned by the uploader. there are several well known artists here on Zazzle that have had their work stolen over there. i have reported it to PB many times, they do nothing and the same designs get uploaed over and over. So now, i simply go to the artists Zazzle shop, or their websites if they don't have a gallery,and email them directly with a link to the page. hopefully someone will get angry enough to get a lawyer. most of the artists are very appreciative of it.
What Photobucket is doing is correct. They should only accept complaints from the copyright owner. The DMCA requires that the complaining party confirm under penalty of perjury that they own the claimed rights. When a company requires that they protect people from purely vengeful take-down demands. Acting on complaints from someone who has never even had contact with the image owner is wrong. It fosters abuse, and creates unfair imbalance against someone who is innocent and wrongly accused. Just because what you reported was legitimate does not mean that all, or even most, demands are legitimate. Telling the artist and letting them make the complaint is the correct way to handle it.

All artists end up on both sides of this sword. They want protection against others who wrongfully copy from them but they need protection against unjust accusations of infringement. Accusers must be placed in a position where they can be held responsible for the consequences of their accusations. If they are right, great, if they are wrong they should be responsible for the harm caused. Requiring DMCA compliance provides that balance.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 2:42:08 AM
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Most people don't go to the trouble of carefully reading the agreements of image hosting websites.

I haven't come across one single image hosting website, that doesn't have the 'giving them right to use in every way possible' of your uploaded photos in their Agreements. That's why I don't use them anymore.

I used to use Webshots.com, but when I discovered that anybody could download and use my photos for their own purpose, I deleted my albums and only left photos of my trip to the USA sitting there, with a very low resolution. Reason too why I put up photos with low resolution in my Pbase galeries.

So if you don't want others to use your photos, then make your albums private, but that doesn't change the fact that you gave the website owners permission to use them in any way possible when hitting the 'I do agree' button when signing up.

Same with the so called photo contest sites.

One should always read the small print when the signing up is for free.
I get a lot of emails from companies asking if they can use my photos in their advertisements. never hear from them again when I mention payment for their use. Most of these companies have desinated employees who are roaming the internet every day in search of usable photos in hope someone says yes, thinking it's an honor that a big company like that is interested in using their photos. One thing they forget is that these companies are making money with your design.

Once I discovered a photo of our sheep breed on a sticker of a new cheese. I knew this photo was made by one of our members so I asked him if he had sold this photo to this cheese making company. He said no, so we emailed the company that they had used the photo illegally and the end of this story was that they bought the right to this photo for $700. That was much cheaper for them than to remove all the stickers.

Be aware when signing up to websites or contests and read the small print in the agreement carefully, because you can't claim 'you didn't know' when trouble starts.
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