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Linden Labs Official TOS.... 7. CONTENT LICENSES AND INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS 7.1 You retain any and all Intellectual Property Rights in Content you submit to the Service. You retain any and all Intellectual Property Rights you already hold under applicable law in Content you upload, publish, and submit to or through the Servers, Websites, and other areas of the Service, subject to the rights, licenses, and other terms of this Agreement, including any underlying rights of other users or Linden Lab in Content that you may use or modify. ******************************************** 7.6 Linden Lab owns Intellectual Property Rights in and to the Service, except all User Content, and in and to the Linden Marks. Linden Lab owns Intellectual Property Rights in and to the Service, except all User Content, including the Linden Software, the Websites, the Servers, and the Linden In-World Content, and in and to our trademarks, service marks, trade names, logos, domain names, taglines, and trade dress (collectively, the "Linden Marks"). You understand that such Intellectual Property Rights are apart from any rights you may have in Content you upload, publish or submit to the Service, as discussed above. You acknowledge and agree that Linden Lab and its licensors own all right, title, and interest in and to the Service, including all Intellectual Property Rights therein, other than with respect to User Content. ********************************************** Full TOS and in particular can be found here... http://secondlife.com/corporate/tos.php#tos7 In short.. Linden Labs owns the frame works of Second Life.. servers coding etc.. but content creators own and retain compyright on their creations in and outside of SL. :-))
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ChinaberriesEmporium wrote:LOL yeah - I thought it meant "Offending Person". Ok, I'm a ninny, I admit it. You've learned something new, then.
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Tink wrote:dreamNwish_Photo_Art wrote:I don't know much about SL, either. I first heard of it on a news program. I was quite surprised at what I learned.
I think the OP (original poster...person who posted the question. I say this as not to offend as the OP thought it was an offensive term made by someone else.) mentioned that others have sold items from SL on another site or have some items on Zazzle.
Has anyone ever sold anything from SL on Zazzle? I don't see how this is even possible. This web site is not the real world its all virtual reality and was not meant for anyone to take their clones or whatever they will call the duplicates of other designs out of that site and sell them? They sure have gotten a lot of attention however. I think selling the stuff there is something most would know is not what its about there. But obviously its being tried. Interesting stuff. Lots of issues on copyright on the web on Second Life. http://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2009/04/eff-and-sl.htmlhttp://community.secondlife.com/t5/General-Discussion-Forum/Copyright-Questions/td-p/1438449/page/2http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090501/0154374713.shtml I wouldn't see how, either, but I thought I read that the OP said someone had sold some SL items, here. Zazzle said - We are investigating the legalities of Second Life content on the site with both ours and their legal teams. In the past, we have left items up on the site given their loosely based content guidelines. We will provide guidance as it becomes available. The Zazzle Team - - I just don't know. I'm not into SL, and hadn't given it a ST (second thought)  since seeing that news special about it a couple of years ago. I saw the topic, had no idea that it was about SL until I read the post, and was surprised to learn that it was about what I'd seen on TV about a site for people to "live" as someone from their own fantasies.
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Tink wrote:
I don't see how this is even possible. This web site is not the real world its all virtual reality and was not meant for anyone to take their clones or whatever they will call the duplicates of other designs out of that site and sell them?
Tink, I can't believe you of all people have not heard of magic fairy dust that lets you fly into other worlds!!!
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Beachwalker wrote:Tink wrote:
I don't see how this is even possible. This web site is not the real world its all virtual reality and was not meant for anyone to take their clones or whatever they will call the duplicates of other designs out of that site and sell them?
Tink, I can't believe you of all people have not heard of magic fairy dust that lets you fly into other worlds!!! You got me...owe ya.. To funny. Where's Peter??
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The copyright and Intellectual property terms people are posting are all about different things and it's getting all confused.
If you create something in SL, it is YOUR intellectual property. You can set your permissions. The permission settings, copy, modify or transfer, are a permanent part of the item. People are not allowed to copy your item unless you set the "copy" permission.
(this does not refer to photography, except in cases where someone might take a close up of a surface to steal the texture.)
(7.1 You retain any and all Intellectual Property Rights in Content you submit to the Service.)
Linden Labs has some rights over your creations.
(7.2 You grant certain Content licenses to Linden Lab by submitting your Content to the Service.)
If your creations are out in public - the public can use them.
(7.3 You grant certain Content licenses to users of Second Life by submitting your Content to publicly accessible areas of the Service.)
If your stuff is out in public, people can photograph or film it. The pictures or machinima are theirs. If you don't want it photographed put it in private.
(7.4 You also grant Linden Lab and other users of Second Life a license to use in snapshots and machinima your Content that is displayed In-World in publicly accessible areas of the Service.)
7.5 talks about if you delete your items
Linden labs owns all the stuff they made, all their logos, signs and art.
(7.6 Linden Lab owns Intellectual Property Rights in and to the Service, except all User Content, and in and to the Linden Marks.)
7.7 is about obey the TOS or else
Don't be uploading copyrighted material INTO SecondLife. Don't build copies of copyrighted or trademarked things.
(7.8 You agree to respect the Intellectual Property Rights of other users, Linden Lab, and third parties.)
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Maz wrote:Did you read what Zazzle posted a couple of posts above yours? They removed everything related to Second Life from the OP's store. Then the OP should appeal Zazzle's decision to remove because if they did remove Secondlife photo art for copyright violations - their decision would likely be based on a lack of knowledge on how SecondLife photography works. If they remove SL photography then they better start removing RL photography as its based on the same premiss. You and Zazzle should read the Term of Use agreement that Linden Lab Inc. forces all Secondlife participants to agree to prior to being allowed in SecondLife.
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ToysoldierThor wrote:Maz wrote:Did you read what Zazzle posted a couple of posts above yours? They removed everything related to Second Life from the OP's store. Then the OP should appeal Zazzle's decision to remove because if they did remove Secondlife photo art for copyright violations - their decision would likely be based on a lack of knowledge on how SecondLife photography works. If they remove SL photography then they better start removing RL photography as its based on the same premiss. You and Zazzle should read the Term of Use agreement that Linden Lab Inc. forces all Secondlife participants to agree to prior to being allowed in SecondLife. You should read a thread in its entirety. This is from Page 2. TheZazzleForum wrote:We are investigating the legalities of Second Life content on the site with both ours and their legal teams. In the past, we have left items up on the site given their loosely based content guidelines.
We will provide guidance as it becomes available.
The Zazzle Team It looks like Zazzle is doing what they feel they need to do in this matter.
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Here's the outcome:
I guess Sunday decided to review my store.
Monday - In this thread
"The store has been checked and all offending items have been removed."
They pulled a mug off - didn't touch any images. They sent me a notice in email.I emailed back requesting they reconsider.
The same day I recieved an email asking about the stamps that were in product review at the time. I replied, with links and all that and told the person about the mug issue going on. (it seemed to be from 2 different departments - I dunno)
Tuesday - In this thread
"We are investigating the legalities of Second Life content on the site with both ours and their legal teams. In the past, we have left items up on the site given their loosely based content guidelines.
We will provide guidance as it becomes available.
The Zazzle Team "
This is interesting isn't it? "In the past, we have left items up on the site given their loosely based content guidelines."
Oh well.
Wednesday they decided that I may not publish the stamps. I took all my SecondLife Images out of my Zazzle files.
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ChinaberriesEmporium wrote:
"The store has been checked and all offending items have been removed."
They pulled a mug off - didn't touch any images.
Zazzle only removes products from stores. They don't go into accounts and remove images.
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ChinaberriesEmporium wrote:Here's the outcome:
I guess Sunday decided to review my store.
Monday - In this thread
"The store has been checked and all offending items have been removed."
They pulled a mug off - didn't touch any images. They sent me a notice in email.I emailed back requesting they reconsider.
The same day I recieved an email asking about the stamps that were in product review at the time. I replied, with links and all that and told the person about the mug issue going on. (it seemed to be from 2 different departments - I dunno)
Tuesday - In this thread
"We are investigating the legalities of Second Life content on the site with both ours and their legal teams. In the past, we have left items up on the site given their loosely based content guidelines.
We will provide guidance as it becomes available.
The Zazzle Team "
This is interesting isn't it? "In the past, we have left items up on the site given their loosely based content guidelines."
Oh well.
Wednesday they decided that I may not publish the stamps. I took all my SecondLife Images out of my Zazzle files. Maybe in the past, they were more unsure about the rules. Now, they must be more sure and understand better, and felt it was best to remove the content. You can come up with other designs to add and sell.
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Gina Lee Manley wrote:ChinaberriesEmporium wrote:
"The store has been checked and all offending items have been removed."
They pulled a mug off - didn't touch any images.
Zazzle only removes products from stores. They don't go into accounts and remove images. Thank you, Gina. It's not humiliating and dissapointing enough to have lost. It's nice to know I am wrong about yet another thing.
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ChinaberriesEmporium wrote:Gina Lee Manley wrote:ChinaberriesEmporium wrote:
"The store has been checked and all offending items have been removed."
They pulled a mug off - didn't touch any images.
Zazzle only removes products from stores. They don't go into accounts and remove images. Thank you, Gina. It's not humiliating and dissapointing enough to have lost. It's nice to know I am wrong about yet another thing. Don't have a defeatist attitude. That isn't good for anyone. I wasn't trying to humiliate you with my comment, I was just making it known how it works 'round here when removals occur.
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It happens to most of us you are not alone.
You are obviously very talented turn that into a positive and design your own completely using the many tools now available online. I have had a entire collection removed because of a word, it is just the way its happening now on the internet and some are totally over the top but you have to look at it through Zazzle's part its just not worth it to them to fight these battles and it probably is going to get worse before better. Hopefully some people will have enough money to fight things so better rights will be in place for all of us.
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Tink - a whole collection because of one word? wow, I'm sorry to hear that happened to you. Thanks for the encouragement.
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ChinaberriesEmporium wrote:Tink - a whole collection because of one word? wow, I'm sorry to hear that happened to you. Thanks for the encouragement. It has happened more than once for different reasons. If pulled and then the decision reversed in your favor you have to remake them sadly. We are hoping one day instead having to remake them they can be put on hold so we can fix things. Sometimes they are not seen for years until someone orders one then caught. I got really lucky not long ago on hundreds of designs I have from a artist that I have permission to use. I had sent the email to Zazzle when I started using his work, however over a year later someone pulled designs many I used on Quick Create and when I re sent the email they said he had to contact them personally. Which he did, However since it was questioned everything reverted back to progress files and to do them again I would of had to redo each individually. Luckily however, they did not pull the hundreds I had over the years done and lose my rankings. So you can see it happens and not much we can do but go forward.
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