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For those of you wondering what all this "grouping" talk is about, and others of you who can't find their products, here's a visual guide on whats happening. I made 49 Bo Obama products:  ...But only 7 appeared in my shop. What gives?!  The reason? Most of them are now grouped together under my square pin button:  Clicking on the "43 products" link reveals the rest of my Bo products, yippee!!   OK so now you're asking... WHY??? Well Zazzle have a HUGE wall with all sorts of data on how customers interact with our sites (trust me, I've seen it... it looks like the stock exchange!) They have found that most customers will only look through a couple of pages of the marketplace, before getting bored and wondering off. Even worse, when customers get into our stores they are more than likely to just plain abandon them and not look around at all. (Shoppers are fickle creatures.)  The solution? To stack products with similar designs on top of each other and decrease the number of pages in our stores. Now is it perfect? Well, no... but it also isn't finished yet. At the moment Zazzle are furiously testing and tweaking the way grouping works and how to help us all get the maximum number of sales. Remember, our sales are their sales too, so we're all in this together. Let's all bare with them while they figure this out and make us all richer for it!
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CartoonizeMyPet wrote:For those of you wondering what all this "grouping" talk is about, and others of you who can't find their products, here's a visual guide on whats happening. Let's all bare with them while they figure this out and make us all richer for it! That... was one excellent and simplified visual description of what is taking place. I sincerely hope others take the time to read this carefully and understand that Zazzle has "customer interaction" stats that guide them in how customer are interacting with the website. Until someone (other than Zazzle) has this kind of data to work with, who are we to suggest what they are doing is not right? Most certainly, Zazzle did not get where they are by merely guessing :-) Thank you for posting this... you are the queen of visual explanation :-)
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Finally! An explanation that actually is an explanation! Thank you.
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I give this post a 5 Star rating. THANK YOU for explaining this visually and in simple to understand text.
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Love your visuals! 
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Very nice! I only Zazzle figures out a way to show the whole 49 products together. Long run, it's going to be an improvement.
Love the visual about the stock exchange!
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Great visuals and post!
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After having been gone for a while and going through that scare, this helped bring me to ease xD Thank you for this!
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Thanks! I did have it figured out after all, but, it's great to see it so plainly!
Does anyone know a way to create a product group on purpose that will all end up in a group together?
I know the image is a big part of it, but, since some of my images have more that one group for the same image, maybe I could get them all into the same group myself if I knew the other criteria.
(If there is already another thread with that in it. Just point me to it.)
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GReat explanation, I had seen this happening but did not know why. Thanks for the heads up
My only issue is that in my store, I group products under the image used so now when a buyer (?) searches for an image he cannot see all the products which utilise it.
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Thank you for explaining this!!
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Thanks for this explanation. I would have liked to have seen this in a seller newsletter so I wouldn't have gotten concerned over my "missing" products when I saw the number drop.
As someone who has been keeping track of how I'm growing my stores by noting the total number of products by looking at "all products" and seeing the count there, how can I now easily see the total number of products I have for sale?
Thanks,
Liora
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liorahess wrote: how can I now easily see the total number of products I have for sale?
The amount is now listed on your Product page inside of your account.
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Thanks to whoever bumped this because I missed it the first time around. I've been slowly figuring this out on my own and have started grouping and listing differently hoping to fit in the new system more smoothly, but it really felt like guess work. This summarized it so well the picture in my head kind of "un-pixelized" and I could see the whole so much more clearly. Awesome! Thanks! 
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This is the best concise, visual and complete description I've seen. This is great!! I knew about the grouping, but I had no idea how it was really working. I just kept on making stuff, but hoping that I'd figure it out. With your help, I did. Thanks! 
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LaraineRose wrote:
Hi, I'm just trying to figure all of this out after a very weak start last year .. then nothing until now.
Do these groupings replace the folders we had last year?
If so, I'm not sure how to move the items from the folders to the new stores. Would you please explain.
Thank you - I feel like I'm in a fog.
LaraineRose - the folders and grouping are not really related. Example: You have a mug and a plate with the same image/text combination The image has a bee on a rose You place the mug under YOUR category "Bugs" and the plate under your category "Flowers". When you open the "Bugs" category and see the mug it will probably (I haven't really zeroed in on what causes specific groupings, but I think I am rather close) show "see on 2 products" - when you click on this text, it will show the mug and the plate. Same when you find the plate under your "flowers" category. I think this is a bonus!
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Pro sellers and veteran zazzlers might hate this, because they are used to manually organizing their store, categorizing, creating folders for each design, etc.. but zazzle newsbies don't do this, and i guess zazzle just wanted to take care of those messy store. They have all the usability data, so can't blame them for the changes
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Thank you for the great explanation.. and being stuck in the sections by design group.. how does one better organize their shops now? So that more product "choices" get seen right off the bat.. and from there going into see this on how ever many products- I don't want the front page of my shop to look like all I carry is say.. gift boxes.. and for the first time In this new shop I wrote about to begin this thread- I have used Quick create .. which I do not normally do.. Unfortunately I do not shop.. so I do not think like a shopper.. Any and all advice is greatly appreciated.. and this hands on tutorial is wonderful to "see" what we are doing.. but I need further explanation.. anyone care to help me understand further? TIA
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I've gotten used to the groupings, although I have to say that even when I'm shopping for myself on Zazzle I forget to look for the "find on xx products" and find myself thinking, oh if only that we're on a mug, when it very well could be.
My only request would be that shop owners could designate which product will display with a grouping. So if I want to emphasize the t shirt over the magnet I could do that.
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