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Dear Zazzle,
Before you award something a Today's Best Award, perhaps you should arm yourself with a VERY handy image searcher called Tin Eye (www.tineye.com)and make sure the image doesn't pop up in a couple of hundred places all over the internet. That way you can keep from giving TBAs to items which are just "vintage" images or things harvested from the internet which have been slapped on merchandise with little or no change. I've seen TBAs numerous times on such items and it kind of hurts your credibility as a company that it happens so much. Not to mention, it clutters up the marketplace with yet MORE of that rubbish when you grant someone an award for something which they didn't even create. Maybe you just need to change the procedure on how items are chosen for TBA. All I know is I'm getting pretty sick of seeing people who aren't really creating a thing getting TBA awards.
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I said it before and I will say it again. It calls Todays Best Award, not Today's Own Created Design Award.
I agree that sometimes the TBA's aren't the best choices, but it don't need to be created by the shopkeeper to be a great design.
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My only issue is when it's a blatantly stolen design or just plain not worthy of being called today's "best", like designs that have text chopped off because it doesn't all fit in the design area.
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Customizables wrote:My only issue is when it's a blatantly stolen design or just plain not worthy of being called today's "best", like designs that have text chopped off because it doesn't all fit in the design area. LOL - I think you have the same idea in mind that I did! Wasn't it orange?
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This is why I deleted my Zazzle Awards link on my front page. There's just no pride in it, after some of the TBA's I've seen.
And, I agree with, J32Teez. You don't have design it yourself for it to be a great design, as long as it isn't stolen.
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Yes, I agree... the TBA needs an over haul.
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aazari wrote:
it clutters up the marketplace with yet MORE of that rubbish when you grant someone an award for something which they didn't even create.
Whats one mans rubbish is another mans gold .. just because you don't personally like it doesn't mean someone else won't think it's great JJ_Paul wrote:I agree with, J32Teez. You don't have design it yourself for it to be a great design, as long as it isn't stolen. Exactly .. one of my favourite stores on here is a one that uses vintage images .. also the fact a lot of us sell or give away some of our graphics leads to more then one place using them .. can't punish people for using something that is available for them to use legally and commercially
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Ricaso_Graphics wrote:JJ_Paul wrote:I agree with, J32Teez. You don't have design it yourself for it to be a great design, as long as it isn't stolen. Exactly .. one of my favourite stores on here is a one that uses vintage images .. Yes, it´s one of my favourites, too! And people don´t realize what work goes into digitally restoring vintage posters ... Ricaso_Graphics wrote:also the fact a lot of us sell or give away some of our graphics leads to more then one place using them .. can't punish people for using something that is available for them to use legally and commercially Although I do paint/draw/digitally make a lot of our designs I also use bought graphics - simply because I haven´t got the time to make everything myself. I do use these graphics to make designs of my own, combining them and adding to them. It does take a lot of time, imagination and work - and it makes the design unique - and mine. And I have got TBAs awarded for some of those designs. So I wouldnt generalize things in that direction.  Hilly
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It could still be useful for finding blatant rip offs. I've bookmarked it for my own use in tracking down people stealing images from my website. They keep popping up on Wikipedia. Don't mind that, but they always seem to have a false "free use" license.
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Beachwalker wrote:Customizables wrote:My only issue is when it's a blatantly stolen design or just plain not worthy of being called today's "best", like designs that have text chopped off because it doesn't all fit in the design area. LOL - I think you have the same idea in mind that I did! Wasn't it orange? It was, indeed. That shirt shall forever haunt my memories.
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J32Teez wrote:I said it before and I will say it again. It calls Todays Best Award, not Today's Own Created Design Award.
I agree that sometimes the TBA's aren't the best choices, but it don't need to be created by the shopkeeper to be a great design. My issue is this: Several of the designs I've found with TBAs are images harvested from wallpaper sites, art sites and image dumps from the internet or, in some cases, obviously high resolution scans of existing merchandise (books and calendars, mostly). They are not altered or added to. They are just slapped on merchandise. They not only don't deserve a TBA, they don't belong on Zazzle at all because they are stolen. If someone is actually integrating a vintage image into a design of their own, kudos to them. They're actually doing some work. But a lot of people just take them as is and use them. That's just lazy and shouldn't be rewarded when so many people here are busting their humps to make original content that's actually quite superb and worthy of recognition.
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aazari wrote:J32Teez wrote:I said it before and I will say it again. It calls Todays Best Award, not Today's Own Created Design Award.
I agree that sometimes the TBA's aren't the best choices, but it don't need to be created by the shopkeeper to be a great design. My issue is this: Several of the designs I've found with TBAs are images harvested from wallpaper sites, art sites and image dumps from the internet or, in some cases, obviously high resolution scans of existing merchandise (books and calendars, mostly). They are not altered or added to. They are just slapped on merchandise. They not only don't deserve a TBA, they don't belong on Zazzle at all because they are stolen. If someone is actually integrating a vintage image into a design of their own, kudos to them. They're actually doing some work. But a lot of people just take them as is and use them. That's just lazy and shouldn't be rewarded when so many people here are busting their humps to make original content that's actually quite superb and worthy of recognition. I agree with you about stuff that is stolen. Still, if people use a vintage image legally and just put on a product without any work on it, than it might be still a good image or design. Which is ok for me to get a TBA.
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I love the vingtage works here and I could care less if other folks regard perfectly wonderful shops and legal images as 'clutter'.
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I have a lot of vintage items in my stores that I bought from a vintage company. BUT I spend HOURS restoring them before I put them on here! Just ask my husband - All day Saturday from 9 in the morning till 10 that night I was restoring old Christmas cards. I Love the old vintage cards and from my sales I'd say so do many people. Did I create them, no, did I fix all the scratches, old post marks, dents and missing ink - Yes. Have some of my vintages images gotten a TBA - yep. I don't feel bad about it nor should I. What you deem "Not worthy" isn't important to me in the least, what people buy does! I take great pride in restoring the vintage cards and posters! Classic Christmas& Golden Oldies
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aazari wrote:
Not to mention, it clutters up the marketplace with yet MORE of that rubbish when you grant someone an award for something which they didn't even create.
Rubbish?  Maybe you need to do a little research and find the ratio's for the supply and demand of vintage art on wearable art - apparel and gifts before you label it rubbish. It's a pretty lucrative niche. I won't even begin to go into the time and effort it takes to prepare the "rubbish" for products as I feel that would be lost in your skewed perspective of "who is" and "who isn't" deserving of recognition. aazari wrote:All I know is I'm getting pretty sick of seeing people who aren't really creating a thing getting TBA awards. Okay, you shared your opinion now I'll share mine. You don't determine who gets that recognition and neither do I - thankfully grateful for not having that distinction. I am also bright enough to know that not everyone in this Love Boat is an artist - but do bring their own talents to the forefront in several areas of this adventure. Maybe, just maybe ... the criteria for the TBA's are not awarded upon a single artistic level? (somebody haul out the smelling salts as we just lost a few "artists only allowed entrance" forum readers) Okay, now for those of you who have gotten the TBA awards. I'm thrilled for you and hope there are many many more in your future! And the next time somebody throws a whine party about your TBA, I'll provide the cheese and crackers so we can all enjoy reading the "rubbish" remarks together.
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I have not found the time to dabble in vintage yet although I love the work I see here in other zazzle shops, I have thought of creating a vintage category when I have more time available to work on it. I am by no mean an artist, sketcher nor do I draw very well, however I believe if a person took the time to fix all the damage done to the image, or even if there was not alot of damage but a person used the vitage image along with other images as a modge podge to bring different elements together for the a design then they should have pride in their work.
As others have stated I personally only have a problem with it when the image was clearly stolen &/or illegal. Tons of people buy the rights everyday to use the images they sell, they spend lots of hours working on the designs, breathing life back into an old picture, they should be proud of their work.
TBA is "TODAYS BEST AWARD" NOT TBDYCA "TODAYS BEST DESIGN YOU CREATED AWARD"
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i think it should be renamed to "todays featured" - and then who or what ever is choosing it needs a class on copyright/trademark/IP infringement
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shopaholicchick wrote:i think it should be renamed to "todays featured" - and then who or what ever is choosing it needs a class on copyright/trademark/IP infringement And spelling and grammar.
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Zazzle isn’t an art gallery or museum, it is a business that sells products that they print stuff on. It is about what people want to buy. I have noticed that many of the truly talented artists don’t do all that well here.
Vintage art and design is a significant part of what sells on Zazzle, so eliminating it from the TBA choice is really not a good marketing strategy.
Betsy
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my issue with the TBA is the products with nothing on it, it just says 'place your image here'  they put a color in the background and add the text 'place your image here' one mans art is another mans....never mind. regarding the vintage stuff, I do love the vintage stuff. I find the graphics amazing. I love the fact that people restore them, for my own selfish reasons of course, because i love looking at them.  Zazzle isn’t an art gallery or museum,it is a business that sells products that they print stuff onyou have a very good point. Coming from an art background, I had trouble with the TBA when i saw a Van Gogh on a mug and they got a TBA. It has taken me a while to realize the difference. But I can see it now. For me, I keep to my passion as an artist, I just love to create. I went into this to see if my art can actually sell on products. Some people go into this for a business. So they would put out what people want, for me, i put out what i want. so TBA, yea, I guess a van gogh would beat me out everytime. I how can i ever compete with these artists... And the next time somebody throws a whine party thats not very nice. People come in here with different ideas and different views. I understand where aazari is coming from. When I have my artist hat on, i don't understand how one can get a TBA for something they never created. When I have my 'zazzle business' hat on, I understand it. people come in from different places. It doesnt mean they are whinning, they are trying to understand how this all works.
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