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Ricaso_Graphics
Posted: Thursday, November 18, 2010 3:43:50 AM
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Here's a little thought

By tag spamming you not only ruin the MP .. you also dilute your own search results and SEO .. it is just so detrimental to yourself and zazzle

For example....

Potential customer wants a dog themed christmas card .. they find one of yours through a search engine (possibly by accident if your tags are so bad).. they click on it and enter your store .. however upon closer inspection they are not that keen on that particular image but they like your work .. so decide to search your store..

Using the handy little search feature .. after typing in "dog christmas" .. they are presented with possibly hundreds if not thousands of unrelated items .. they think Mmmmm .. weird .. but they slog through the first 3 or 4 pages of products with mostly nothing to do with dogs or christmas ...

Finally giving up and returning (hopefully for zazzle and other Sk'ers) to the MP and doing another search .. this time coming across another SK'ers store with a cute dog christmas card .. this time they are able to use that stores search function and find there are pages of correctly tagged products in this case cards for christmas with dogs on them .. they then place their order of lets say a few hundred cards plus they decided to buy matching postage as the store was so easy to navigate that they found them easily .. they then happily forget all about your store and it's unrelated products.. and sit back and wait for their cards and postage to arrive in the mail

Why would you do that to yourselves? ..

If a customer sets out to search for something specific .. your unrelated spammy tagged product is not going to make them think " oh wow I was looking for a vintage themed iPhone case .. but here's a one with nothing to do with anything vintage I'll buy that instead .. give the customers some credit they know what they want and how many do you think will buy something that doesn't fit into that search they just performed? ... would you?

I'm aware that some tags can be added by accident .. it happens to many I'm sure .. but for someone to do it on purpose is just beyond me

please give your store(s) and your work the chance they deserve and tag responsibly

Also if you're not a tag spammer .. remember these people who do tag irresponsibly are hurting your store as well .. potential customers often leave zazzle altogether if they can't find what they want because it's buried under a ton of spammy tagged products


Not to mention it makes it impossible for affiliates to promote your products and other peoples too ..not only when trying to search the MP for products to manually add to their sites but even more so when automatically using key words to pull items on to their websites.. more sales lost all round


EDIT: please note that I am in no way saying that people who inadvertently leave stray tags on a products are the same as those that tag spam intentionally in the mistaken belief that it will help their sales .. I'm not .. I know we can all do that accidentally ..I know I have .. but not on purpose .. so please don't take offense and think I'm saying everyone with a few random stray tags is the same .. I'm not

nyxxie
Posted: Thursday, November 18, 2010 4:49:31 AM
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I agree.

What I want to know is what can we DO about it? I have seen store after store tag spamming and it's like the shopkeeper just doesn't care. Do we report it to Zazzle? It's a real problem. I search the Marketplace when I need to add products to Squidoo or something, and I have to go through endless pages before I get to the relevant items. So being a customer must be a real nightmare.

I guess this thread is the first start. It needs to be stickied in all the forums. And Zazzle needs to make a newsletter about it.
Ricaso_Graphics
Posted: Thursday, November 18, 2010 4:58:56 AM
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Thank you nyxxie .. You can report tag spamming .. just the same way we can report other violations .. click on report and select the option "This product does not belong in this category" .. and give details of the issue..If it's not just one product but a whole store mention that also in your report
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Posted: Thursday, November 18, 2010 5:05:18 AM
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What Ricaso said.
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Posted: Thursday, November 18, 2010 5:14:52 AM
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Where's the "like" button?

There's been a discussion going on in the proseller forum about tag spamming, and we've come to realize that even some prosellers don't understand what tag spamming is. Your tags should be relevant to that particular design. Not what else you have in your store. For example, if you have a t-shirt with an image of a football player on it you tags should not include "Christmas" just because you're hoping someone might buy it as a gift for someone for Christmas. Christmas should only be in your tags if the design relates to Christmas such as the baby Jesus, Santa Claus, Santa hats, Christmas decorations, Christmas tree, reindeer, etc. You should never mistag a design so that it shows up in searches that have nothing to do with the design. Tagging a design of a dog with terms such as astronomy, pattern, military, or wedding is wrong. If a customer, a shopkeeper, or an affiliate is searching for products with designs of dogs, products pertaining to dogs should be the only things showing up in the search. If you mistag you are hurting everyone. Customers get frustrated and leave.
GLManley
Posted: Thursday, November 18, 2010 5:45:17 AM
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nyxxie wrote:
It needs to be stickied in all the forums. And Zazzle needs to make a newsletter about it.


Absolutely agree!

ruralfrance
Posted: Thursday, November 18, 2010 5:49:58 AM
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Me too! Though I must admit I'm probably guilty of getting tags mixed up sometimes when I customize a product. If anyone notices any they're welcome to point it out! I've seen others do that - totally the wrong title and description as well.
Ricaso_Graphics
Posted: Thursday, November 18, 2010 6:00:36 AM
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Me too ruralfrance .. innocent mistakes are bound to happen .. like I said in my post .. and no one should feel bad about that .. but when it's done on purpose .. that's where the problem lies .. because it's not usually just one or two tags out of place on a few random products it can sometimes be a whole store or section (iPads/iPhone cases being one of the main issues right now)
malibuitalian
Posted: Thursday, November 18, 2010 6:18:08 AM
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ruralfrance wrote:
Me too! Though I must admit I'm probably guilty of getting tags mixed up sometimes when I customize a product. If anyone notices any they're welcome to point it out! I've seen others do that - totally the wrong title and description as well.
UGH! I have totally done this too!!

Especially when I'm creating products late at night and falling asleep at the computer or become distracted by the kids - so ditto for me.

I DO NOT intentionally put the wrong tags but I am sure there are plenty of strays out there. Feel free to tell me! One thing that would help (if is possible, at all) would be if the tag box was bigger so we can see all the tags at a glance when creating the design. This way, if you inadvertently copied and pasted the wrong one you will see it right away (hopefully).
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Posted: Thursday, November 18, 2010 7:01:40 AM
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malibuitalian wrote:
One thing that would help (if is possible, at all) would be if the tag box was bigger so we can see all the tags at a glance when creating the design. This way, if you inadvertently copied and pasted the wrong one you will see it right away (hopefully).


Agreed.
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AMEN!!!
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Posted: Thursday, November 18, 2010 7:20:17 AM
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jasminesphotography wrote:
malibuitalian wrote:
One thing that would help (if is possible, at all) would be if the tag box was bigger so we can see all the tags at a glance when creating the design. This way, if you inadvertently copied and pasted the wrong one you will see it right away (hopefully).


Agreed.


Agreed also. As I am still in the middle of setting up my store, I often 're-tag' my designs/products and use copy/paste a lot in stead of typing them over and over again.

I find making good descriptions and thinking up good tag the most difficult thing to do, specially because English is not my native language. For instance I don't know exactly what falls under 'vintage' or 'rural' or 'urban' or 'retro'. When I do a search on those terms, I see so many different things popping up and I wouldn't know which ones would apply to my designs.
Result: I think I'm missing out in the MP a lot, because my products just won't show in those searches.
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Posted: Thursday, November 18, 2010 8:07:49 AM
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I don't know exactly what falls under 'vintage' or 'rural' or 'urban' or 'retro'


That is tricky. Rural can mean virtually anything that isn't in a town. Vintage means different things in different countries - some things that are vintage in America are antique in the UK. Generally vintage is something over 25 years old (or wine of almost any age). Retro is a bit like something vintage that has become fashionable again (like kipper ties, bellbottom trousers or psychedelic wallpaper when they come round again). Urban can mean several things - objects related to large towns and cities or built-up areas, or young cultural stuff that I don't understand.

In fact, after doing a quick search, I wouldn't bother using 'urban' in relation to built up areas. Someone searching for the first meaning would probably resort to town, city, or built-up etc.
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Posted: Thursday, November 18, 2010 8:34:53 AM
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Here is a blatant example of tag spamming IMO.

A makeup artist business card in the automotive business card section and here are the card tags listed:

make ,up ,hair ,animal ,business ,character ,color ,mechanic ,countries ,education ,elegant ,fantasy ,fashion ,flag ,hi tech
holiday ,music ,nature pattern , photography, plain, political, retro, science, sign, social, net, sports, zodiac, attorney, automotive, bakery, chiropractic, christian, construction, cosmetologist, dental, firefighter, insurance, lawn, care, massage, therapy, military, nail, salon, nursing, personal, training, pet, business cards

It's also happened to ME when I went searching for a present for a friend on Z.
Saw a mess of mixed up products in one category that were not even close to being applicable.

You can't blame Z for this entirely, it's happening daily and often and they can't go cruising around looking... they have new products to introduce so it's up to us to let them know when we come across these things as I do occasionally.

But what they can do is at least remove the product when it is reported and warn the store owner since it may have been a mistake the first time around.

cowboyannie
Posted: Thursday, November 18, 2010 8:50:38 AM
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It seems that some people use the same set of tags for every product they produce, no matter what that item might be. They use the name of every category in their entire store whether it is relevant to that particular design or not. Maybe it's laziness. Maybe they think it's convenient not to have to actually THINK about tags each time they make a product. Maybe they are confusing STORE tags with PRODUCT tags. Or maybe they trying to carpet-bomb the Marketplace with every possible word they think will bring them a customer.

I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt when they are just starting out - we all make rookie mistakes. But for people who have been here for some time to do this blanket tag-spamming on a regular basis is just SPAM and hurts us all.

Say your friend likes horses and you want to get her an iPhone case with horses on it. You type in horse, select iPhone from the drop-down menu, and you have to wade through pages of roses and airplanes and camouflage and hamburgers and Santa Claus going down the chimney and pictures of the beach and some guy in an astronaut suit. How does that help you as a shopper? As a customer? How does that help you as a seller?

It helps no one. Stop it.
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Posted: Thursday, November 18, 2010 8:56:48 AM
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One thing that would help (if is possible, at all) would be if the tag box was bigger so we can see all the tags at a glance when creating the design. This way, if you inadvertently copied and pasted the wrong one you will see it right away (hopefully).

That.... would be VERY helpful. I have often thought that the tag box was WAY too small for comfort and practical use.

The tag box should be the same size as the description box..........

please
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Posted: Thursday, November 18, 2010 8:59:28 AM
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If someone is at all unsure of how to tag a product for the marketplace.....
this forum is the perfect place to ask!

Isn't that partly what this forum is for, to get help, advice, and guidance?

So when it doubt it's simple; ask :-)

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I don't know exactly what falls under 'vintage' or 'rural' or 'urban' or 'retro'


That is tricky. Rural can mean virtually anything that isn't in a town. Vintage means different things in different countries - some things that are vintage in America are antique in the UK. Generally vintage is something over 25 years old (or wine of almost any age). Retro is a bit like something vintage that has become fashionable again (like kipper ties, bellbottom trousers or psychedelic wallpaper when they come round again). Urban can mean several things - objects related to large towns and cities or built-up areas, or young cultural stuff that I don't understand.

In fact, after doing a quick search, I wouldn't bother using 'urban' in relation to built up areas. Someone searching for the first meaning would probably resort to town, city, or built-up etc.
nyxxie
Posted: Thursday, November 18, 2010 10:55:10 AM
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idesigncafe wrote:
One thing that would help (if is possible, at all) would be if the tag box was bigger so we can see all the tags at a glance when creating the design. This way, if you inadvertently copied and pasted the wrong one you will see it right away (hopefully).

That.... would be VERY helpful. I have often thought that the tag box was WAY too small for comfort and practical use.

The tag box should be the same size as the description box..........

please


I really don't see how that stops tag spamming to have a bigger box. Either you type in the right words, or you don't. I understand that you copy and paste, but what are you copy and pasting from?

Here's something that I always do. I have notepad open. I use notepad because it's simple and light, and I type my tags and descriptions into that and I look over them. Then I just paste them into the box. always take the time to read each and every word, it takes less than a minute. Instead of rushing and just putting whatever in there.
nyxxie
Posted: Thursday, November 18, 2010 10:55:44 AM
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Ricaso_Graphics wrote:
Thank you nyxxie .. You can report tag spamming .. just the same way we can report other violations .. click on report and select the option "This product does not belong in this category" .. and give details of the issue..If it's not just one product but a whole store mention that also in your report


I'll start doing that.
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Posted: Thursday, November 18, 2010 11:46:06 AM
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Either you type in the right words, or you don't. I understand that you copy and paste, but what are you copy and pasting from?


Don't you ever customize a previously used image for a new product?

It seemed to me that the whole point of having a dropdown previous tags box, was to make life easier, but editing them in that tiny box is hopeless. So, either we copy and paste everything to a text file each time and edit it there, or we have the dropdown tags and a larger box to see what we're doing. I can't possibly keep a file of tags for each item, we might just as well start from scratch each time - which is what I end up doing a lot of the time - so without a larger editing box, the dropdown tags are pretty useless.

The whole point of the dropdown list is, that we shouldn't need a text file.
The dropdown list is also what helps people spam - just a click and they're all there on the next product.
malibuitalian
Posted: Thursday, November 18, 2010 12:04:03 PM
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nyxxie wrote:
idesigncafe wrote:
One thing that would help (if is possible, at all) would be if the tag box was bigger so we can see all the tags at a glance when creating the design. This way, if you inadvertently copied and pasted the wrong one you will see it right away (hopefully).

That.... would be VERY helpful. I have often thought that the tag box was WAY too small for comfort and practical use.

The tag box should be the same size as the description box..........

please


I really don't see how that stops tag spamming to have a bigger box. Either you type in the right words, or you don't. I understand that you copy and paste, but what are you copy and pasting from?
It certainly wouldn't cut down the people who INTENTIONALLY spam tag but it would help those of us who use current products and customize them by adding other images. The tag box would be bigger and it would be LESS LIKELY that we would accidentally miss a tag that we should have deleted. As it is now, we have to scroll through all the tags and sometimes you might miss something that you can't see at a glance - especially after doing this for a few hours at a time.
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And just to make it clearer, the sort of tags that I might want to delete from previously used tags would be christmas, birthday and other product specific tags (like teacher, if it was a business card) etc etc.
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Posted: Thursday, November 18, 2010 12:35:39 PM
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The larger tag box definitely gets my vote .. same as the one we have when we edit a product .. easier to view tags and delete ones that need not be there .. along with the ability to use a spell checker .. now that would be awesome
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Posted: Thursday, November 18, 2010 12:58:40 PM
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Ricaso - hats off to you - this was an excellent explanation of tag spamming and why it isn't good. I think this should go in the other forums too.

I too would like a larger box so i could see all or most of my tags esp. when creating one by one - I make most of my tagging mistakes on those.
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Opened a new store for iPad covers etc. and low and behold looked up "christmas" under these two products. What a mess. Totally disheartened. You can see whose doing it... I wonder if Zazzle has a form letter for that offense. Happy
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ruralfrance wrote:
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Either you type in the right words, or you don't. I understand that you copy and paste, but what are you copy and pasting from?


Don't you ever customize a previously used image for a new product?

It seemed to me that the whole point of having a dropdown previous tags box, was to make life easier, but editing them in that tiny box is hopeless. So, either we copy and paste everything to a text file each time and edit it there, or we have the dropdown tags and a larger box to see what we're doing. I can't possibly keep a file of tags for each item, we might just as well start from scratch each time - which is what I end up doing a lot of the time - so without a larger editing box, the dropdown tags are pretty useless.

The whole point of the dropdown list is, that we shouldn't need a text file.
The dropdown list is also what helps people spam - just a click and they're all there on the next product.


Yes, I customize from a previous image all the time. But I delete the tags and put in new tags for the product. I can understand if it happens on accident, but if you're careful about there should be no issue.

I don't understand what you mean about a dropdown list. Do you mean the tags that are saved by your browser?
nyxxie
Posted: Thursday, November 18, 2010 3:41:30 PM
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malibuitalian wrote:
nyxxie wrote:
idesigncafe wrote:
One thing that would help (if is possible, at all) would be if the tag box was bigger so we can see all the tags at a glance when creating the design. This way, if you inadvertently copied and pasted the wrong one you will see it right away (hopefully).

That.... would be VERY helpful. I have often thought that the tag box was WAY too small for comfort and practical use.

The tag box should be the same size as the description box..........

please


I really don't see how that stops tag spamming to have a bigger box. Either you type in the right words, or you don't. I understand that you copy and paste, but what are you copy and pasting from?
It certainly wouldn't cut down the people who INTENTIONALLY spam tag but it would help those of us who use current products and customize them by adding other images. The tag box would be bigger and it would be LESS LIKELY that we would accidentally miss a tag that we should have deleted. As it is now, we have to scroll through all the tags and sometimes you might miss something that you can't see at a glance - especially after doing this for a few hours at a time.


I understand what you mean, and you're right, the box is too small and it can create accidents. But I mean, to make sure that doesn't happen it's best to just delete the whole thing. Copy, delete it, and paste into the notepad box to delete any tags. I guess I'm just so used to doing it that it doesn't bother me.

I use notepad not just for the tags, but for everything. I even type responses in notepad, and then paste them into browsers. Because browsers are so undependable too, I've had many crashes in the past and I've lost words that I worked so hard on. It's just second nature to me to open up notepad to type everything in first and I think people should find out what works for them too, but never depend on a typing box in a browser even if it is large, so many things can happen and it can all go wrong.

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Posted: Thursday, November 18, 2010 3:59:48 PM
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I've been using a Firefox addon called QuickNote. I can write things there (like tags) and it saves it automatically. You can have several notes at the same time, so it comes in handy to write myself notes, too, like do this on store 1, that on store 2.
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gedcom wrote:
I've been using a Firefox addon called QuickNote. I can write things there (like tags) and it saves it automatically. You can have several notes at the same time, so it comes in handy to write myself notes, too, like do this on store 1, that on store 2.


Nice! And that's really cool that it saves it, just in case your browser crashes.
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Posted: Thursday, November 18, 2010 5:30:13 PM
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nyxxie wrote:
I understand what you mean, and you're right, the box is too small and it can create accidents. But I mean, to make sure that doesn't happen it's best to just delete the whole thing. Copy, delete it, and paste into the notepad box to delete any tags. I guess I'm just so used to doing it that it doesn't bother me.

I use notepad not just for the tags, but for everything. I even type responses in notepad, and then paste them into browsers. Because browsers are so undependable too, I've had many crashes in the past and I've lost words that I worked so hard on. It's just second nature to me to open up notepad to type everything in first and I think people should find out what works for them too, but never depend on a typing box in a browser even if it is large, so many things can happen and it can all go wrong.

I was in the habit of using WORD and copying and pasting my tags back and forth but having that open, along with other programs, caused my computer to become too sluggish. never thought to use Notepad. Does that use less resources than Word?
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